At age 42, Roy Jones would have been knocked out COLD by durelle in one sided fashion. Archie Moore was knocked out in only 7 out of 218 pro bouts, which means he was knocked out only 3.2% of his fights. Roy Jones was knocked out in 2 out of 58 pro fights, which means he was knocked out in 3.4% of his fights When you consider archie far and away faced MUCH better competition and MUCH MUCH bigger punchers than jones faced, archie is much more impressive in this regard
No he didnt. He NEVER fought DM the best lightheavyweight of his era and failed two fight the top punchers of his era at SM like Mcclellan, Benn, Eubank, etc. Hopkins was very greeen, jones never rematched him. Toney was horribly weight drained and has recieved a gift over Tiberi and lost to montel griffin shortly afterward. Archie Moore went a combined 10-2 vs Hall of fame top 15 light-heavyweights of all time Jimmy Bivins and Harold Johnson, Won all 3 matches vs top 20 lightheavyweight of all time Joey Maxim, and scored knockout victories over top Black Murders row fighters Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall, and Cocoa Kid. Archie also defeated the 3 most dangerous young heavyweights of Marcianos era, Clarence Henry, Nino Valdez, and Bob Baker. Roy Jones ducked top heavyweight punchers of his era. Dont forget to mention the 2nd fight was a hometown decision where most thought Archie won, and the 3d fight Archie came close to knocking charles out and was ahead on scorecards. Harold Johnson was better than ANYONE on the murders row and better than roy jones. Jimmy Bivins whom Archie beat 4 times during that stretch went 2-0 vs lloyd marshall and your lover boy Charlie Burley. Archie also beat top black murders row heavyweights Clarence Henry, Nino Valdez, and Bob Baker. Series should have been 2-1, the 2nd and 3rd fights were VERY close. Charles was better than Roy Jones. Morrow was rated # 6 in the division, he was no journeyman. In the rematch, archie knocked him out so bad he was unconsious for 30 minutes and slipped into a coma afterward Better than getting knocked out cold by 35 year old Antonio Tarver, and 36 year old Glen johnson with ONE punch Roy Jones ultimatley fell short against the elite at 175lb, he avoided the best of his era and avoided big punchers at 168-175lb for good reason. Archie Moore is the most proven fighter of all time, and in his prime 1952 he would have been to clever for roy jones. Jones did not have the chin to handle a sharpshooter like Moore. Archie will find jones chin somewhere during the fight and thats all she wrote.
Jones dominated guys like Toney and Mcallum and Hill, pretty good fighters. Mcallum and Hill were older, but so was Jones when he started getting knocked out. Jones was so fast in his prime, Ive never seen anyone else in the history of the sport like him. Speed kills, and when speed slows, a fighter becomes ordinary. Against the bigger threats, Jones was cautious and even more difficult to hit. I dont see anyone ever beating the best JOnes.
I agree with it all except that people I've spoken to who were at the second Charles-Moore fight do not accept that it was a home town decision. Moore was getting closer to beat Charles each time they fought but he did not deserve this decision. Moore pushed this idea around later on in life but it is not substantiated. The rest of this post is excellent.
Such as who? Dariuz Michalzewski? He turned out to be nothing special, and that whole fight was based on hype. Calzahge wasnt ready for Jones at the time either. I cant think of anyone he didnt fight, besides maybe Eubank, Collins, and Benn, hardly bigger threats than Toney or Hopkins or MCallum. I tend to think the fighters he faced at 175 were a pretty solid group. Guys like Gonzalez, Eric Harding, RIchard Hall, David Telesco, Murqui sosa, Montell Griffen, Lou Del Valle, they were all solid fighters, who brought a lot of different looks stylistically.
1. Jones faced P4P no1 Toney, future P4P no1 Hopkins (Hopkins was 28), McCallum, Virgil Hill, Ruiz, Mallinga (beat Benn became champ, robbed against Benn/Eubank/Rochiagani). DM fight should have happened, neither wanted to travel, DM lost to Gonzalez who Jones shut out 2. Your making a big fool of yourself and I know you werent around at this time, because this is :barf Toney was a proven bigger puncher than Eubanks/Benn and far more skilled, far more accomplished. Eubanks turned the fight down on many occasions and admits to this. Benn lost his title a year after beating McCellan. Both Benn and Eubank got outboxed by Mallinga who Jones dominated, who was ducking who? 3. Moore has a very good resume, but he still got outsped and outslicked by the faster slicker opponent of his day, no doubt 4. Charles whooped Moores ass 3times fair and square, no the second fight wasnt controversal as has already been mentioned on this thread. 5. Moore himself said Burley was the best he'd faced, Harold Johnson was very good, but not that good. 6. Jones does many things better than Charles, overall Charles at his best possibly beats Jones but not necessarily 7. But not better than getting knocked out by Morrow, Booker and Bivins in his prime 8. Toney/BHOPs/Hill/McCallum/Griffin plenty of elite right there and beat Gonzalez who beat DM. Please tell us all who Jones avoided so you can make a bigger fool of yourself, remind us all did he avoid Eubanks who turned the fight down and openly said he wouldn't shorten his life by fighting Jones? Moore was proven but not against the faster slicker fighters 9. Moore couldn't handle speed and Jones would be the fastest fighter he ever faced, faster than Patterson, Ali, Burley, Charles and as slick as any. And maybe Moore didn't have the chin to handle the speed and power of Jones
Around 10 fights and hes very good great technique and timing but athletically he isnt on the same level Modern fighters like Toney use Moore/Walcott to emulate their style, perhaps Archie in turn emulated Burley. Jones style is based around some of the same techniques too, the way they both lead with that left hook is similar but Jones is a far far greater athlete than Archie and in the real world of boxing speed kills
Roy Jones was never a big light heavy. His speed allowed him to compete in a division he didnt belong in. He wasnt the type of fighter that took beatings, he always had the advantage over all his opponents at his best. Archie Moore was never a light heavyweight, He was a middleweight with a glass chin. You forgot to add Leonard Marrow a fighter who knocked out Moore in 1 round. He could never take a punch.
Holman Williams was as fast and slick as they come, archie knocked him out. Holman Williams beat Charlie Burley 3 times. Roy Jones on the other hand never proved himself against a ATG puncher in his prime with boxing skills. I doubt you have ever read a fight report.... do you know what the definition of Whooped is? would you say Corrales "whooped" Castillo in there first fight? since thats just about how close Archie Moore came to knocking Charles out, and was ahead on all 3 cards after 7 rounds according to a charles SUPPORTER I talked too. The 2nd fight was a hometown MAJORITY decision that very likely could have gone to archies way, and the decision was LOUDLY booed in charles HOMETOWN. Your saying charles whupped his ass in this fight??? Mentioned by the same man who said "Roy wouldn't have trained in the same gym as Archie let alone face him in the ring." No offense but the fast slick fighters of his day were fighters Roy Jones would have never got in the ring with. Moore said alot of things. Fact is your lover boy burley lost MANY times to fighters like Lloyd Marshall(whom Moore knocked out), a 10 fight novice Jimmy Bivins(whom Moore knocked out 3 times), and Holman Williams 3x(whom Moore knocked out), and to Cocoa Kid(Whom Archie Knocked out). Harold Johnson on film to me looks better than Charley Burley. Harold Johnson wasnt very good, he was GREAT. If Jones fought the hectic 3 fights a month against Ring Magazine top 10 like Archie did, Jones would probably have 10 knockout losses on his record The one time poor old roy went up in weight that sucked it back down, he got his ass knocked the **** out by a 36 year old mediocre fighter Tarver. Archie Moore when he was in his 40s was able to go up and weight then suck bad down and defend his title ALL THE TIME, sissy jones couldnt do it once.
Hopkins became 5x the fighter he was when he fought jones later on the late 1990s...and of course jones never rematched this much better version of Hopkins. The version of Hopkins Jones fought could not beat Segundo Mercado. Toney was a great win, but lets face the facts...The man was given a gift decision over Dave Tiberi a journeyman, and could not beat Montell Griffin shortly afterward...and he came into the jones fight with some severe weight problems and gained 15lb on fight night(183lb). Harold Johnson Jimmy Bivins Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall were all much better fighters than Toney was.
