Roy Jones...

Physical Prime, not technical, 2 different things but physically he was at his best, technically maybe not that far from it but physically better than when he faced Tito for instance

 

maybe so but that dosent mean much as he improved alot as a fighter afterwards

 

When do you think this fight should have happened? Jones was a 168 champion when GMAN was a 160lber, Gman didnt move to 168 until he faced Benn. It was due to happen after the Benn fight do you think Jones ducked it then?

 

His defense/trickery improved, but his offense was best in the 90s he was a bit of a beast then, much higher output, much more aggressive, faster. Very different to the BHOPs we know today.

Bernard has become 1 of my favourates over the years, bit of a pity hes considering a Tito rematch, but he deserves the payday

 

Im still waiting to hear these fighters he avoided. Michalzewski was the WBO champion, which at the time, was not the most popular title. Again DM turned out to be nothing special. Please tell me who he avoided. As far as Griffen, Jones, answered any criticism of the first fight by detroying.

 

Naw, didnt he face Jackson at 168? Jones and Mclellan were very close friends they never wanted to fight each other, but yes, that would have been an interesting fight due to his punching power, but again, Jones would have most likely boxed circles around the G-man.

 

1. Williams was still an ex-LW with a low KO percent. Excellent no doubt sad he didnt get his shot. Moore did well going 1-1 with him. I also wouldn't. The point remains Moore lost against the best fast slicksters he faced.

2. 3-0 3-0 3-0 Are you trying to say Moore was robbed blind against Charles should I start a thread about this 'Suzie fact' we didnt know

3. Your proving your ignorance, 12-15% is not near fat, whichever I never said, thats in boxing shape, Marciano was not fat he did have a higher bodyfat percentage than many ripped LHWs though. I'm actually a fan of Marciano he is in better shape than most and could carry 210lbs with the right conditioning/nutrition

4. Fact of the matter is Charles won and as has been mentioned, many ring side had it to Charles either way. The majority of ESB claim robbery in any near close fight, fight fans always have

5. Jones is the best of the era, DM maybe second best, but DM took on worse comp. The fight should have happened but boxing is a business and neither side put up enough money for either to go for it. DM was offered the fight and he turned it down, maybe he didnt want to risk his future earnings as champion. Anyone picking DM over Jones is pure nuts, have you even seen DM fight? I sincerely doubt he'd win a round against Jones

6. Just because a fight isn't made doesn't mean a fighters scared. Why would Joens be willing to face Tyson and not Sanders? Because Tyson makes him more money. Would Moore fight any and everyone if he had $8million guaranteed per fight? BTW Moore walked out of talks with Sugar Ray :tong Was Moore ducking Ray, I don't think he was, sometimes fights don't happen BECAUSE OF BUSINESS REASONS.

7. Obviously Moore was better in his older years but Roy was on a different level in his prime, but Jones was done at 35 because he relied on his great athleticism, speed/power/movement Moore couldn't dream to emulate.

8. So your saying Moore didn't sign to face Robinson because of business yet Jones doesnt take on lesser fighters because hes 'scared'? Maybe both didnt get the money for the fights they deserved? And McCellan was disabled Benn was shot and losing to Jones leftovers after they fought

9. At that time 50s Marciano was 1 of the best sluggers ever, Moroe also only can fairly compare men hes faced. Moore and many others thought Burley the best of the era. And they all saw the Murderers Row something we dont have the luxury to do

10. Again Moore/ others rated Burley as the best of the murderers row. The fact you can't see Burley's resume is deeper than Marshall/Williams/Bookers shows you don't do as much 40s/50s research as you claim to do, just Walcott/Moore/Rocky/Lamotta jocking

11. Moore's reign as LHW champion was actually not particularly impressive itself. Who did Jones 'duck', not fighting someone doesn't mean their ducked you child.

12. Tarver is slicker and faster than most of Moores opponents, plus he was a southpaw, plus he was a giant 6'2 LHW who'd come into the ring between 190-200.

Yes we get Jones got ko'd twice, we never knew that before thanks for the info :nut Care to enlighten us on Moore's 7 KO losses

13. I never siad he was fat youngster, I've never insulted Marciano, I'd tell him he had 12-14% bodyfat though, because he did, and I don't think he'd much care unless hes nearly as immature and sensitive as his biggest ESB nutthugger

 

yes but he would have had a better chance against Jones with his trickery he was a completly different beast. Hopkins was green when he fought RJJ he matured tenfold after the fight.

 

GMAN-Jackson was for the MW WBC belt, I remember both him and Jones were friends but I'm not sure how close they were, Jones says he wont visit Gerald until he retires but I think he helped him out financially after the Benn fight (not sure)

I also think Geralds condition had a big effect on Jones, Benn tried to kill himself years later and Eubanks was very disillusioned with boxing calling it a 'barbaric sport' and saying he only did it for money, Benn hated him talking down boxing

 

The first one.

Two is a bigger number than one, plus Morrow hit much harder than Johnson.

Plus, as you've noted, Moore's career didn't "end" as a result of being KO'd, whereas Roy's apparently did.

 

The first one.

Two is a bigger number than one, plus Morrow hit much harder than Johnson.

Plus, as you've noted, Moore's career didn't "end" as a result of being KO'd, whereas Roy's apparently did.


Morrow punched harder than Glenn Johnson? Because of what? Because you said so? Moore got knocked out by a 3rd tier fighter in his prime in one round. Roy Jones was knocked out by a pretty good fighting in Johnson at the end of his career.

Archie Moore was also knocked down countless times in his prime by unknown fighters. Roy was only knocked down 3 times I believe.

You know why Archie Moore is praised so much? Because it makes it seem like Marciano fought somebody good. The hilarious thing is Morrow knocked out Moore in his prime at middleweight in 1 round by it took Marciano a cruiserweight 8 or 9 rounds to do so. Kind of shows how overrated Marciano was doesnt it? Unless you are saying Morrow is better than Marciano which he probably was.

 

Bernard Hopkins of the late 1990s was not only better defensivley, he was more mature physically too, I think Hopkins didnt slow down physically until around after the tito fight....Hopkins of the tito fight, I dont know if Roy Jones could take him. its safe to say jones never beat a prime hopkins. he faced a version of hopkins who was floored twice and drew with journeyman segundo mercado.

 

No, because his punches generally carried more impact and did more damage. That's usually the criteria used to determine if one fighter hits harder than another.

Johnson wasn't held in any higher regard at the time he KO'd Roy than Morrow was when he KO'd Moore.

No he wasn't, the vast majority of fighters who dropped Moore were well known to their contemporaries.

So it only took a mere 3 knockdowns to "end" Roy's career as you say, while Moore was tough enough to persevere on and break records?

No, it's because he was a dominant long reigning champion who broke records.

What fighters who achieve that don't get enormous praise?

No, he knocked him out AT LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT which is where both of them were fighting and ranked at this time. Unless the middleweight weight limit was somehow raised to 175 just for this one fight...

Why? Jones was extended a full 10 rounds by Fermin Chirino who has been stopped by numerous other fighters. Since when does that automatically make a guy "overrated"?

 

My2Sense, don't waste your time with Chris Warren. You can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink. You do give an excellent rebuttal, and it was highly noted by me for whatever thats worth. Well done.

 

So thats the fighter Jones ducked to make you think his career was riddled with avoiding the better fighters? :huh
Hopkins never faced another fighter with Jones speed. Beating Trinidad was really nothing special in my mind. Tito was smaller and one dimensional and my hypothesis of him was always correct in that he would never have success once his strength was put on more of an even playing field with his opponents.
Hopkins also fought very cloesly with a lot of the better fighters he faced at middleweight, whereas Jones throughout his prime one sidely beat down all of his opponents, AND faced much physically bigger fighters in a division he really didnt belong in. Hopkins was hurt by guys like Antwun Echols and Robert Allen, short true middleweights.