Roy Jones

Trinidad wasn't a natural welterweight, only staying at that weight (with very much trouble of cutting his weight down) to get a big fight, once he got it with Oscar, he immediately jumped up in weight. He is a natural middleweight right now at this age, with Jones being natural super middleweight, only 1 weight category separating them.

 

How do you see Jones - Caza going right now?

 

I'll wait till Calzaghe gets past Hopkins first. Hopkins has a good right hand...

 

Jones looked brilliant at times, but most of the time, his timing seemed very off. During the first two rounds, i really thought he was "shot", but then he sort of came alive and showed glimps of the past. He was very adept at keeping his guard up whenever Tito punched; i'll give him that. After the first few rounds, he was hardly hit with a clean headshot ever in the entire fight. He's lost his legs though. If he's gonna stand in front of Calzaghe like that, he won't win a round because Calzaghe throws so many punches, is more accurate, bigger, more authoritative and actually has a defense.

I think part of why Jones looked good was mainly because his opponent was inactive for 2,5 years and a natural super welter at best, who has always been highly susceptible to technically skilled boxers.

I think Calzaghe would beat Hopkins fairly easy as well (if he's still as good as he was vs Kessler). His workrate is just too much for Hopkins, who has slowed down way too much to beat Joe at this point. You can have all the technical ability and fouling tactics in the world, but if your opponent throws twice as many punches and is so much faster, you're not gonna win.

 

Agreed, and i think Hopkins is too far past it now as well to worry a very fast and skillfull opponent in Caz. It will be fascinating to watch his attempted strategies tho.

I still wonder about Jones chin of present, it can't have gotten much better than it was when Tarver hit him and i think Tarver is an overrated puncher. Call me stupid but i wouldn't doubt that Caz could take him out, he'll at least be landing plenty of leather and i really don't think Jones at this time can take much. I'll look at the Tito fight tomorrow and see if Felix lands anything significant.

 

Jones is not even a mere contender now , im not disrespecting him , but he is less than that at the moment. Beating a ATG WW after a layoff at 170 pounds doesnt mean anything in the LHW rankings. It was a good fight though

 

The main word that you used here is FORMER , he hadnt beaten any1 significant at LHW for ages before he split a 3-fight series with Tarver and lost to Johnson. Tarver, i thought was really good at the time , but it turns out he's not that great. I dont want this to sound like im disrespecting Roy Jones , one of the best fighters maybe ever , but he is not a contender at LHW anymore. He can be a contender again , i think he is still very good/great , but right now he doesnt deserve contender status AT 175
bestowing upon him

 

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Yes , the arguments you have made are good ones , the reason that JONES HIMSELF is not a contender anymore is because his last 3 fights against LHW contenders were convincing losses , that knocks you out of contention. And time has passed also.

Im not saying that Jones cant beat most of the guys in his division if he fought them tommorow. I havent said anything like this once. You are mistaking my posts for something else.

All im sayin is that right now Jones is not in contention, so your argument you have just made doesnt even count. It would do if we were discussing if Jones is better that the current contenders , but that has nothin to do with this

 

Just look here at our posts , you are the one trying to put words in my mouth here . Roy was champion , then he beat Tarver. Then he suffered a one-punch KO in a rematch - he is still number 1 contender imo at this point, although he could be lower because in some peoples opinions because he never fought deserving contender Micszachevski for ages. Then he gets KOd by Johnson - he is slipping in the rankings now. Then he fights no1 for over a year and then gets a undeserved title shot and loses convincingly. You would be very kind to have him at number 10 contender at this point. Then he fights 3 people who dont have any business being called anything at 175 (in terms of title contention). Jones is not a 175 contender right now. Deal with it