Roy Jones.

Yeah, but why would Roy have wanted to have fought Hopkins again, just three years after he'd beaten him, when he was looking for a new challenge at LHW?

These guys never look at things from Roy's perspective.


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Why a rematch in 1996? Trouble finding people to fight at 168 I would assume. I don't think Jones really wanted a rematch, but the options were limited. When that fight, and others couldn't happen the logical move was to move up to 175 to try and get a fight with Hill.

 

As far as 2002, Jones was still the man, and Hopkins was stepping up. He wasn't in a position to demand 50/50.

 

I think he was reviewing his options, but when the Benn and Liles fights couldn't be made, he made his mind up to move on.

Steve Collins was another option, but I think LHW was more appealing.

 

Definitely not.

Roy would had to have moved down for a catchweight.

Also, there's no way Hopkins would have given Roy 50/50, if he'd have beaten him in 93.

 

All wins are on paper, the same as defeats, and DQ's, and they ALL COUNT.

Roy Jones fans do NOT decide what does, and doesn't count in the world of boxing. Long after he is dead records will still stand.

 

Yep I remember those days, Hopkins in no way fancied a rematch against a shot Jones until Jones lost to Green. He learnt in that first fight he couldn't cope with the speed and reactions of Jones.

 

McCallum was an ATG and far more established than Hopkins, he was a WBC Champ who lost a controversial decision in his prior fight. Jones was fighting for the WBC title in his 3rd division.

Hopkins wasn't established in '96 but if he wanted the fight after he got a title he could have taken the same payday Grant took, he didn't. Hopkins turned down Reggie Johnson around 94/95 and Calzaghe in 02 too.

 

Was Collins with Don King too? Jones was trying to line Collins up, he was invited on stage after a Jones fight but HBO wouldn't let Collins talk, they wanted the Reggie Johnson fight. Collins started preparing for a Jones fight after retirement but was knocked out in sparring by Howard Eastman, so decided against a comeback.

 

Of course, I understand that.

But nobody takes it seriously, and credits Griffin with the win.

Again, he didn't beat Roy because he was the better guy, he beat him due to Roy's stupidity.

 

That's right.

After the Green loss, he told the media that Roy had been hard done by in Australia, and he tried to sell the fight as being relevant.

 

No he wasn't with King.

He wanted to fight Roy in 96, and many people think that Roy ducked him.

But I don't buy it.

I think a move to LHW was more appealing than fighting for Collins's WBO belt.


Three years later in 99, Collins got in the ring to challenge Roy after he'd beaten Rick Frazier, where Merchant famously trashed the fight.

But at that point, Roy was looking to unify and Collins hadn't fought in a long time.

You've got to give him credit though, because he wanted Roy bad.

But I think it was a blessing that the fight didn't take place. Because if he was that vulnerable in sparring, he could have been seriously hurt if he'd have continued his pro career at that point.

 

McCallum was less than a month short of his 40th birthday when Jones fought him, compared to Jones at 27. This was a guy who had spent the first 7 years of his career at 154. Also its funny how he suddenly gets ATG status when he is mentioned in a Jones thread, but gets denied the same when a thread is dedicated to him.

And as I said before the opinions of Jones fan boys don't matter at all, the record books will forever show he lost to Montell Griffin, and he tested positive for steroids. Nothing can, or will be done to stop that.

 

I don't rate the McCallum win at all.

Mike was a genius in his prime.

But that was just an opportunity to win an interim belt in a new weight class.

 

This is ****ing stupid.

In 2002 when it was on the table, and both men were rated at the top of the P4P. The winner would have overtook Mosley and been the King of the Hill.

Jones turned down 50/50. Say what you want fanboys, to make the super fight 50/50 was fair and it would have been a very huge fight, what are you talking bout?

Instead we got Jones clowning an overmatched Clinton Woods, I'm sure you guys enjoyed that one?

And nice to see the Jones would win anyway predictions, it seems most of his big wins are fantasy fights, because he looked so great against bad-good opponents. Thus his legacy.