Roy Jones's resume at SMW.

If they did they would be laughed out of the boxing community.

 

Roy Jones is the best on the basis of resume.

 

A shame they couldn't get Nunn, Littles or Liles in with him.

 

I disagree. The following fighters are in the hall of fame who fought much worse competiton than those listed above and had a fraction of their talent. They did have great management and promotional connections however.

Brian Mitchell
Kostya Tszyu
Ray Mancini

 

My vcash is a testimony to my predictive capabilities and it would have been higher if there was a fair vbookie here.

You, however are a cheap journalist or a 4th degree public relations worker that pollutes the web for a living.

 

1) Do not use any inclusion of IBHOF as a means of measure to anything
IBHOF must be ignored by any knowledgeable historian of the sport.

2) I did not vote them in, so what does it take from my argument ?

3) Tszyu's management was not nearly as picky nor as shrewd as the names I mentioned. Not Tszyu's fault that DeLaHoya and Mosley wanted nothing to do with him.
An argument can be made for his inclusion or otherwise about 1/3 of the inductees should be thrown out.
Regarding Mancini's and Mitchell's managements , IDK, but arguments 1,2 are enough.

 

atsch




I'm waiting for you to list all of the guys that Roy ducked, with any form of evidence.

 

I'm waiting for you to list all the relevant guys that Roy fought, with any form of sincerity.
This is my main evidence and is enough in this extreme case in particular.

 

No, the onus is on you.

You've claimed that Roy ducked every threat.

So either shut up, or provide us with some sort of evidence.

 

Either he ducked every threat or every threat ducked him, you have 2 admit 1 of them, because he faced no threats at least until he was 28 years old. He barely got by Hopkins, whom is very overrated, and after him his resume was null during a 4 years period.

 

other than the Toney bout, his best wins here were against Malinga, Byrd, Pazienza, Sosa and Thornton.

They all have "qualifiers" to them though.

Pazienza's being that while a well known name, he was pretty **** and blown up at this weight.

Byrd looked a decent Calvin Grove type when he first came on the scene in 91 against an aging Lindell Holmes, but that was probably as much to do with Holmes being a natural middle that was getting on a bit and struggling with the size and safety-first style of Byrd, as it was Antoine being a good new contender.

he got starched early by a journeyman and looked bad against Littles not long after that, and had done nothing for about 3 years by the time Jones beat him.

Still fairly impressive to blow him out.

Thornton, the punching postman was a fighter i liked and had time for circa 87-93 as a poor man's Bennie Briscoe type of pressure fighter.But he had been very inactive since the Toney fight at the end of 93 and become very much a part time fighter by the time he fought Jones.Looked faded from the opening bell.

Again relatively impressive to get him out of there quickly though.

Sosa is a similar case in terms of being a decent contender in the early 90s, but had been through those brutal wars with Charles Williams by then and didn't look the same fighter after.

Malinga, i'd say is his best win after Toney.He was probably a bit past his peak too, didn't look as quick as 2-3 years before, but he fought a razor close ten-rounder with Benn only a year before.

All in all, it's definitely the H2H side of things where Jones stacks up.He was peaking during a transitional period for the division where a lot of the contenders from the early 90s were fading.Eubank and Benn, who he gets stick sometimes for not fighting were on the way out by this time as well.The window of time where he could have fought a good version of either was quite slim.

Liles was probably the best fight that didn't happen.Or G-man\Benn and briefly Collins.

 

It has been said that Malinga was a better fighter than Gene Fullmer.

 

I know what happened.

It's you who's assumed he ducked all of the guys who he didn't fight.

He beat Hopkins with a fractured hand, at just 24, in 93.

He then had a good win over Malinga in 93.

He then had a good win over Tate in 94, which was his last fight at MW.

He then challenged Toney in Nov, 94.

He then fought a few mandatories and had a good win over Lucas in 96, before moving up to LHW, when fights against Liles and Benn didn't materialise.

 

Great post.

Plenty of knowledge. :good


Liles would have been a hard fight for Roy.

According to Roy and HBO, he was offered his biggest payday to fight Roy, but turned it down.

His manager Jack O'Halloran, said that they had a great fight lined up against Roy, but Liles blew it by asking for more money. O'Halloran seriously believed that he'd have knocked Roy out. After Liles had turned down the fight, O'Halloran walked.

http://www.scaredstiffreviews.com/?p=414


Eubank is also on record as saying fighting a Roy at his peak, would have been suicide.


You're right about Benn, he faded very quickly after he'd fought Gerald.


Finally, I think Roy's last win at SMW over Eric Lucas was a good win.


:good

 

Eric Lucas?? He was awful. Remember novice Bryant Brannon, 5ft5 with flat feet! Embarassing..