Roy Jones's resume at SMW.

While the fight could have been easily scored 10-2, the Hopkins fight isn't one of his best performances. I think Jones would tell you that himself.

 

You're a joke!

How did Roy avoid every threat?

Tell us.

You've made the claim, so back it up with something.

Saying he missed guys, is completely different to saying that he avoided them.

So tell us who he avoided, and back it with some form of evidence.

Either do that, or go away.

 

That's right, he was under immense pressure.

But he was also just 24, with a fractured hand.

Hopkins didn't lose for another 12 years.

Also, the Mercado fight was at altitude.

All things to consider.

But it was a good win by Roy.

 

He missed the boat. When Toney, McCallum, McClellan, Benn, Watson, Eubank and Reggie Johnson were setting rings alight against eachother in sensational wars, Roy Jones was fighting in front of 200 people in Pensacola protected by his father. When he came through in late '94, all the guys were done and dusted or very nearly done and dusted. Jones would've had a much shorter career if he signed professional forms in the summer of '88 with a big-name promoter, believe that.

 

Yes, he missed out on some great fights.

I'll never understand big Roy's behaviour.

Roy sacrificed his youth training with big Roy, and big Roy was brutal. You're probably aware of the ordeal that Roy had to endure? Big Roy would literally beat him with pipes and tie one of his arms, and make him fight one handed etc. He put Roy through absolute hell, to the point where Roy either wanted to kill him, or himself. But big Roy made Roy's life a living hell, with the purpose of him being developed into the worlds best fighter.

Yet despite what he'd made Roy, when Roy turned pro, he wrapped him in cotton wool, and wouldn't turn him loose. I would have thought that he would have been confident in letting Roy fight any of the guys that you've mentioned. But he wouldn't. According to Julian Jackson, big Roy wouldn't let him fight him. Fred Levin has also stated that he offered Roy title shots, and big Roy said he'd take the proposals to Roy to discuss. He'd then go back to Fred, and tell him that Roy wasn't interested, even though he'd never even spoke to him.

It was bizarre.

But I can see why Roy never wanted to tie into a promoter. IMHO, it was due to the childhood that he endured. When he became a man and split with Roy, he wanted to do things his own way. He'd been controlled for his entire life before the split, so afterwards, it was a victory for him to be his own man and to call the shots. I think it made him defiant. I think had his childhood been different, he would have tied in to a promoter, and his career would have taken a different path.

But then you have to question whether he'd have been the same fighter.

So it's an interesting thought.

But there's no way Roy ducked any of those guys, IMHO.

I think Roy would have signed to fight all of them.


:good

 

I do feel Lamar Parks would've given him a difficult fight at 160, possibly beaten him. Not sure Parks could fill further to 168 because he was squat and bulked enough at '60. Very sharp combinations, extremely heavy hands; awesome counter body shots for when Roy's hook leaps skim over Parks' head, and genuine one-punch KO power. He was better than Hopkins back then, no question.

 

My evidence is that fights with Michalczewski , Liles (probably got priced out and you consider it Liles avoiding Jones) , rematch under fair terms with Griffin , Reggie Johnson @ 160 , James Toney @ 190 or 190+ did not happen. I believe there are more I forgot to even consider right now.

 

Again, listing guys who he missed, is not evidence that he avoided them.

Kerry Davis of HBO, did all he could to make the Dariusz fight.

Fred Levin is on record stating that big Roy stifled Roy's progression, and didn't inform him of title shots that were available. Roy fought nobodies at MW for four years, and in the end, he split from him.

Frankie Liles's manager Jack O'Halloran, called Liles foolish for not accepting to fight Roy, and he ended up leaving him.

He didn't want to fight Toney again at those weights. He wasn't interested in the CW division, and after Ruiz, he wanted huge money to remain at HW.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m7RV55wrCE#t=305

 

If we're going to accuse Jones of ducking people during his light heavyweight reign, then please let's just limit it to the names of actual light heavyweights. Particularly those who either co-existed as champions or who were mandatories. And not middles, super middles or cruisers... Darius Machaelzcewski or however the f-ck his name is spelled is a valid mention. But I'm not interested in every obscure super middleweight alpha title holder who was in the spot light for 15 minutes between 1996-2002.

 

frankenfrank

You left out 175 where it made more sense for it to happen. Jones of course was willing to fight him again, as he was fighting the winner of the Toney-Griffin rematch.

 

The guys he missed at LHW, were Nunn, Dariusz and Roch.


Roy didn't want to go to Germany to fight Dariusz.

In 2001, he said "I don't think a knockout would be enough over there."

Kerry Davis - VP for HBO, tried to make the fight in the U.S. and Dariusz and his promoter weren't interested.

They had no desire to leave Germany.


I've read conflicting accounts of why the Roch fight didn't happen, but Roy beat better fighters than him.


Roy dropped his WBC belt when Nunn became his mandatory at LHW, because he wasn't happy with the $1.8m purse on offer, and he was looking to have a mega money fight at HW at the time.

When that didn't materialise, he fought Virgil Hill instead, for $3m.


People say that Roy ducked those guys. But in my opinion, a duck is when a fighter refuses to fight someone out of a fear of losing to them.

I don't believe Roy ducked them out of a fear of losing to them. Not when he'd fought Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Ruiz, Tarver, Calzaghe, and he'd offered to fight Frankie Liles.

It's illogical.

 

It still doesn't look good that at least two of those guys were the best around at the time and he never took the challenge.. But nevertheless I believe that the management of those other men had plenty to do with those bouts never materializing.

 

It's a shame that the Dariusz fight didn't happen.

But I don't think Nunn and Roch are big omissions from his resume to be honest.

Nunn was truly special. But in 97, he was faded, and he went on to lose to Roch.

Roch was also a good fighter, but I wouldn't say great.

Roy beat better fighters.

 

And this is y i left it aut.
I sink wen Jones muvd ap 2 175 , Toney olredy hed problems meinteining it 2 . Rimember hi ended over 230 .