Roy Jones's resume at SMW.

This will assist you in your debate.

 

Jones fought above 160 (always around 164-165), but did defended his 160 title in 1994.

Thornton, Byrd and Brannon were mandatories. Don't remember how Lucas was picked, but Brannon didn't want to take part in the basketball game fight.

Deal couldn't be worked out for Liles and Nardiello (he fought McCallum instead). By then Benn and Collins were busy with each other. Also Benn had already lost to Malinga.

Sosa was above 168.

Rocchigianni deal fell apart in 1998 at 175. If you did the same type of list at 175, the list of people he didn't fight (or ducked) is probably Michalczewski, Rocchigianni and maybe Nunn. Didn't get the fights at 168, but did minus 1 at 175.

Edit - example


2001
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Montell Griffin
Antonio Tarver
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Bruno Girard
Lou Del Valle
Clinton Woods
Derrick Harmon

 

Ha!

I referred to your copied list earlier, on the other thread.

Whoever made that list is up, is a f*cking idiot!

I ripped it to pieces twice last year.

Ray Close, Barkley?

 

:good

 

Looking at rankings from 2003, it's clear Jones avoided 168.

160:
Bernard Hopkins, Champion

168:
...

175:
Roy Jones Jr., Champion
Antonio Tarver
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Dariusz Michalczewski
Glen Johnson
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Silvio Branco
Montell Griffin
Richard Hall
Mehdi Sahnoune

190:
Vassiliy Jirov
Wayne Braithwaite
Jean-Marc Mormeck
Johnny Nelson
O'Neil Bell
Ezra Sellers
Sebastiaan Rothmann
Virgil Hill
Dale Brown
Pietro Aurino

Heavyweight:
Lennox Lewis, Champion
Vitali Klitschko
Chris Byrd
Corrie Sanders
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
David Tua
John Ruiz
Wladimir Klitschko
Fres Oquendo
Mike Tyson

 

They weren't ranked?

 

Copy and paste the list on to your other thread, and I'll go through them one by one if you want.

It makes for an interesting debate.

Because people were too hard on Roy.

Some people will just think of any fighter that fought around his weight classes, at the time he fought, and question why he didn't fight them.

:good

 

Will do.

 

Barkley was totally shot after losing to Toney in early 93. Jones wasn't even a super middleweight yet. There was no reason to fight Barkley at 168. Jones easily beat Toney, who destroyed Barkley 1.5 yrs earlier.

Nunn was well past his best as a Super Middleweight and ended up losing the title to a mediocre Steve Little.

Ray Close wasn't any better than the guys Jones did beat at 168.

 

Anybody who laughs at Iran Barkley needs shooting. Total respect for that animal, warrior. Most feared man in boxing for a while.

 

it's hard to gauge how good Close was, because he didn't look very good, particularly. But he was obviously a neat boxer with quick hands, quick feet, decent jab, decent flurries, decent tactically (in and out, patient). He clearly lacked power and threw very few body shots or uppercuts. I'm not sure on Close, he failed a brain scan and had to call it a day early. He did beat Dariusz Michalczewski in the European Amateur Championships though.

 

I did like Close's short sharp shots, and that chopping short right. But he looked so power-less.

 

Saying Jones was at 168 in 1993 is a problem, and also using year end rankings.

Where was Bryant Brannon ranked the months leading up to the Jones fight? 1996 is just showing year end, after he lost to Jones.

A never was in Sosa was ranked #5 at 175 at the end of 1995. Jones fought him early 1996. At the end of 1996 he was #6 at 175. So of course he wasn't going to be ranked at 168.

If Jones fought Close (#10 in 95) instead of Paz (#6 in 95), BattlingNelson's logic would say he was ducking a suspected juiced lightweight in Paz.

 

Nobody is laughing at Iran

I'm laughing at his name being on that list.

When Roy officially moved up to SMW and beat Toney, Iran wasn't even at the weight.

So Iran wasn't a deserving challenger to Roy at SMW.

How can anyone question why Roy didn't fight him from Nov, 94 onwards, when he wasn't there?

Half of the names on that list are BS.

 

Exactly.

I actually went through this list, just last year.

I listed all of the stats, and only half of the fighters on the list were relevant.