Roy or Sweetpea ? Who was greater ?

Whitaker, I rate him top 15 All-time while I rate Jones anywhere from 20-25. The main reason for this is because Sweet Pea fought and proved himself against stiffer competition, overall his resume has more depth to it. H2H I think they're very close and could be argued either way.

 

Haha, we must be.

I'm waiting for it too, and I hope Roy does produce the miracle, but it will truly have to be a miracle I'm afraid to say.

 

I couldn't have said it better, sadly. :verysad

PS: I'm off to bed mate, c u around. :hi:

 

Take care mate :thumbsup

 

im convinced

 

The highlighted points are bull**** imo. There are fighters who just do enough to win in every weight, so they are hardly dominate even when they win. Should that put them t a disadvantage? I don´t think so.
And titles in most weightclasses? All those super and junior weightclasses are very young, most oldtimers never had a chance withthem. A guy like Armstrong would possibly had hold the fw, sfw, lw, slw, ww and jmw title at the same time when those titles would have been around back then. That a guy like DLH held titles in 6 weightclasses sounds impressive but at a second glance it isn´t as impressive anymore. The titles in the super and junior divisions should be taken into consideration but not weigh heavily.
Then you have the 4 belts per weightclass mess. It´smuch easier to get a belt at a weightclass now than beeing a champ in the past. Imo having a belt just means you are a top contender.

So, having said this I come to my oppinion. It must be Sweet Pea.
He beat better fighters - aside from Leonard he has the most impressive resume of all fighters after WW2 with less than 50 fights.
He was the dominant champ in two weightclasses - LW and WW and won a belt at sww against the guy who floored Winky 7 times. Jones was the dominant champ at smw for a brief period and one of the Top2 fighters at lhw. He also won belts at mw and hw. Comparable but Pea beeing THE champ in two weightclasses for quite some time beats Jones one belt more and beeing the dominant champ at one weightclass for a brief period.
You also should consider that Whitaker overcame adversity in his career against Hurtado for example while Jones lost when confonted with adversity - Tarver, Johnson, even Griffin. And Pea took on a fighter like DLH late in his career and arguable beat him. You could also argue that the first time he lost was against Tito when he was done and coked up.
I don´t think it´s even close. Imo Chavez is greater than Jones and Hopkins runs him close, arguable overtook him with the Pavlik win.

 

Quit it you malakas

 

Done.

 

Roy without a doubt

Sweet Pea was a great fighter, but Roy's accomplishments are legendary.

 

Sweet Pea edges RJJ

 

Sweet Pea in a landslide.

 

What does it matter? A win is a win is a win. Close disputed decisions are somethign different because imo in those fights neither fighter won. I talk about close but clear decisions. Like Hopkins-Wright for example.

Well, that´s a point but it does not take into consideration that moving up from lw to ww is harder than moving from mw to lhw. 1 pound in the lower weightclasses means more than in the higher. Just think about Sweet Pea fighting Jones at mw

 

Whitaker by a long way. Talent was of a simular level but the resume for Pernell is superb, way better than Jones's.

 

Pernell. His record speaks for itself.