Ruben Olivares vs Alfonso Zamora at bantam

"El Puas" Olivares, would've stop Zamora, he was better all around except in one shot power. Zamora was just a brutal puncher but he could be hit. Olivares at bantamwt was an ATG, Zamora was very good not an ATG. We are lucky to be living in the youtube age, cos we can check out these greats in their best fights. If you wanna see a brutal fight ck out this Zamora gem sad to say this was the end of the line for Zamora. The shots Zamora landed were thudding punches. I don't know what held Eddie Logan up, Zamora wore himself out hitting him. Eddie Logan never fought again.
https://youtu.be/Bz3K1OL_wYE
Check out Olivares and Lionel Rose. Four of the greatest 118pdrs of Mexico were all trained/managed by one man the great Cuyo Hernandez. Olivares, Zarate, Zamora and Pintor all were started by Cuyo. If that was not enough he started Ricardo "Finito" Lopez and for icing on the cake, he taught Nacho Beristain everything he knows. If you love watching great fighters in action watch all four 'er all five.

 

prime for prime Olivaries would have destroyed him, probably by round 6

 

Olivares was one of my first favorites growing up, his record as a bantam was crazy good, and I think he would beat Zamora, but I don't think it is any sure thing, Zamora was one of the hardest p4p punchers ever and had the power to win any fight that he was in

 

Olivaves truly an ATG. I've seen Zamora but can't judge that one.
But...it does bring back memories. Rafael Herrera, a fellow countryman, had destroyed a contender 6 months earlier with what my late friend and I called the world's first 'triple left hook'!
We thought he had the tools to beat Ruben but, at that time, didn't have the daily internet access. Lo and behold, we picked up the paper and found (on page 3?) a picture of Ruben belly down and out, face covered with blood and Rafael with a somprero on, blowing kisses to the crowd! Beat Ruben in the rematch. Don't know what happened to him? Perhaps yet another fighter that lost his moxie and faded away.

 

I agree with another poster in that though Zamora was perhaps the harder single shot puncher, Olivares was by far the better fighter....I see a 2-way bombfest, with maybe Ruben going down early, but recovering to box the Z man like he did vs Castillo before regrouping and rendering Zamora insensible by the 10th or 11th...the ref stopping it after some crunching knockdowns and just beating the hell out of his man. This would have been an AWESOME fight.

 

@jowcol, I don't think that Herrera had no clue as to how to deal with Enrique Pinder, and kinda got dispirited midway though....he sure wasn't the same matador who so decisively took Olivares apart.....and I remember that same picture of Olivares on his stomach, looking up with a badly bloodied face after being counted out....THAT shocked the **** out of me even more than Ruben being dominated so completely...the fact that the paper, back in 1972, actually acknowledging a bantamweight boxing title match and actually RUNNING A PICTURE of it!!!! Dayum!!! I believe that Herrera really lost his way in signing for that rematch with Rodolfo Martinez...he stopped Martinez previously, and regained the title via the WBC version of the crown, and I'm really not sure if it was wise to fight Martinez again so soon after their first tough bout. Whether it was a fluke that Martinez nailed him like he did in that 4th round, or Rafael just got over confident after having his man down in what,...the second? One way or another, that was basically, for all intents and purposes, the end for Rafael Herrera.

 

Herrera had Olivares number, he was a good fighter but not great. Olivares at that time was having major weight problems that sure didn't help his cause.

Rafael Herrera ran hot cold

Rodolfo Martinez was a tremendous puncher, Herrera like I said said not "Olivares" good, but he could fight when he want to. He was a stiff puncher not a one punch guy. If you can watch Martinez

 

Hello Red! I know Herrera had ALL the tools...and...could run hot and cold, but I guess my post was a shout out for my late friend Mike. We shared many years of boxing talk and he loved the Herrera he first saw and I saw the tools. Interestingly, I got the Oliveres-Herrera fight on tape and my wife, originally from Mexico, came running down the stairs saying: "I know that announcer! He did all the top-class matchup commentary in Mexico City at that time." And yes, I too saw the page 3 sports section picture of Ruben belly down and bloody and wondered why the coverage? Must have been an 'off sports day'.

 

I am originally from NYC, and back in the day, the gringos would would all watch the Spanish station for the semi clad girl dancers plus the Saturday nite fights from Mexico. That where I first saw Olivares fight, in a battle of flywt bangers Olivares vs Julio Guerrero. Boxrec doesnt have all of Guerrero's fights a shame cos at the time, these two were hot to face each other. I also got to see Herrera fight Ronnie Jones from Chicago. It's funny that we all would watch the Spanish station and could understand what was being said.

 

I wonder if they've got an archive, that's two fights I'd love to see. I read about the Olivares Guererro fight on a Mexican news archive. Apparently Ruben was very impressive in crushing future contender Guererro.

 

Al, believe me he was, Guerrero could also hit a ton. Televisa must have a tremendous archive of the greatest Mexican fighters hidden away somewhere. If they would only open them up. To see a young flywt Olivares coming up and many others what great fighters. When those two fought it was a huge deal in Mexico and on free tv.
On Guerrero boxrec is missing at least 20 fights from his pre-Olivares fight and I believe almost all, if not all, won by ko.
I believe your father managed Alan Rudkin, what did he say about "El Puas"? I still have the picture from the fight on my laptop of Olivares and Rudkin. Oh, did I have a few choice words to say about Rudkin after he beat up one of my hero's Walter McGowan.