Rubin "Hurricane" Carter Dead at 76

Beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean no doubt, TBooze. Aliens could have done it. You can't prove aliens didn't murder those people. Boom! I've created doubt, not a reasonable doubt, just doubt. Sort of like the racist conspiracy theory. As far as I see it, there's just too much evidence for any doubt to be reasonable.

 

Well it's nice to know that you at least understand how this forum works. Using the quote function and everything. You up for some emoticons?

 

Damn, he was a great snooker player

 

History suggests that is not a bad thing, showing society is developing.

 

'Reasonable' in a discussion on a forum is an abstract concept. 'Reasonable' has a definition in law that is supported by an appeals process, and it was shown that Carter's defence proved reasonable doubt.

 

I don't want to argue either. But you should have gone for either :nono or atsch in that case.

 

Or this one...:bart

 

That's perfect. It suggests passive aggressive confrontation as well as rejection of BEs moral turpitude.

 

Its not a bad thing to pull the race card? Tells me everything I need to know. Discussion over, not worth wasting my time...

 

I think Klompton has pretty much buried everyone on this subject. Nobody has been able to put forth any sound argument against what he has brought up, which tells you all you need to know. Case closed, imo.

 

I lived only a few blocks away from the bar that this happened. I also knew both John Artis and Rubin Carter a little.

Artis ran the hurdles for Central High School a few years before and I ran distance races for Passaic County Tech, both schools were located in Paterson at the time.

I met Carter several years before at the Riverside Oval in Paterson and he even pitched some softball. One time he and several of his friends went across the street of the ball field and went bowling. I followed him and he asked me to keep score, which I did. Also, when he pitched he used to let me sit with his team, he called me kid.

When I was in high school they let me go to the court house several times to do a report on the case. It was some long days, but I reported back what I saw and heard. They had several family members of the people that were killed on the stand. It was pretty sad and some of the items they showed were still full of blood.

I also knew Lt. Vince DeSimone some, and several of my friends knew him very well and they all said he was a honest cop and would never have done what the picture stated he did. Just read the site that Cal Deal has and you can make your own judgement.

Carter was on his way down as a boxer when this happened, just look at his record.

Cal Deal did a GREAT JOB in getting the material together and I read his site many times over the years.

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/index.html

I also know Carolyn Kelley very well. She is the one that got beat up by Carter when he was freed between trials and she is married to a guy by the name of Al-Mustafa Shabazz. If you want to know about him, just google his name with Malcolm X.

I read just about everything about this case and I believe that both John Artis and Rubin Carter were and still are Guilty, But he is now Judged by the only one that counts in the end,

 

I don't think "pulling the race card" is the problem here. Everyone is bound to play whatever hand they can muster, when their back is up against the wall.
It's the suckers who fall for a con that are the problem.
Especially in the case of something as important as a triple murder.


:good

 

I didn't realize this was the actual trial.

 

It's depressing as hell that he was guilty.
Not that he'd done murders and walked free, that's all too common. But the fact that he's conned the world into believing he was the victim.

I mean, just when I thought I couldn't get any more cynical /sceptical...

 

Well, if he was indeed guilty, his crime didn't go unpunished. He did spend almost twenty years in jail as a result of the conviction. More to the point, Carter's victimization (be it real or fabricated) wouldn't have come to pass had due process been followed. One person's procedural technicality is another person's concealment of evidence. Guilty or innocent, that's not something that should be dismissed, because it's the main reason why legal proceedings unfolded in the manner they did.