Rubin "Hurricane" Carter Dead at 76

Thats not necessarily true. The fact that he was released and never retried had more to do with timing than the procedural error. Had that occured 15 years earlier its likely he would have been retried and likely he would have once again been found guilty. The state chose not to retry because in the intervening twenty years key witnesses died, evidence was lost, and the cost to the state was exorbitant. Thats a big problem I have with this case is that people equate his release with exoneration and its not, and they equate the state declining to try him again as an admission that he was innocent. In both cases the facts and the outcome are two very different things.

 

Yeah, but the fact that the procedural error took place is troubling; for without it, Sarokin doesn't grant the writ of habeus corpus that ultimately led to Carter's release. We can extrapolate verdicts based on the previous re-trial in the 70's, but based on the manner in which everything unfolded it seems clear that the NJ legal system failed, at least to some extent. Depending on your viewpoint, it either failed Carter/Artis...or it failed itself. That holds true...even if you think Carter and Artis were guilty as sin and shouldn't be treated as victims.

 

True, although another judge might not have gone as far as Sarokin.

The point that Carter defenders have a hard time realizing is that the procedural error works both ways. Its easy to say that because of it Carter didnt get a fair trial but one could also say that without it Carter likely would have been convicted anyway (his attorneys certainly admitted to an uphill battle). Like you pointed out, the system failed and more than likely it wasnt Carter that it failed but the state, the families of the victims, and the people Carter caused problems for after his release, like the two women he beat etc.

 

Exactly. There is a lot of rumour and here say. But no one here was at either trial (as far as I know), we just put our own value on the death of three people and the wrongly accused.

 

The whole case was basically the 1960's version of OJ Simpson vs the state of California.

 

I am a white male, so I do not know the pain caused by prejudices minority races and females have suffered. So I do try to empathise with those that have been wronged, and try to understand their frustrations and the need for a positive bias to begin to level the 'playing field'. If that means pulling the 'race card', so be it. Society is flawed here, not Carter.

 

I agree with what you're saying and appreciate the sentiments behind it. But I think what he's trying to point out is that the " race card" is all too often abused by those who try to seek what they are not entitled to.

 

McGrain my pal you have out done yourself here.

What a magnificent prediction, that a man with a 3 conviction murder over his head that gets released , in a very questionable manner , who dies- > to predict that this will be the topic of discussion on a thread abut him is down right incredible. I salute you.

What's the lotto numbers gonna be ?

:rofl

 

So much for personal responsibility.

 

Yup. He's no more responsible for his actions than a hyena tugging at a wildebeest carcass. Love it.

 

As long as that race card is being pulled on someone else and not you, right? Would you feel so glib and bleeding heart liberal about it if it were your family members who'd been slaughtered? I doubt it.

 

Threw a bit wide, but yeah, he closed the distance very well and had good timing on his shots. Legit, solid contender in a deep middleweight division.

 

Well of course not, that is why a judicial system is used, so the victims do not get involved in the judging the trial and punishment.

But to pick a more realistic example, I would probably be pissed if I felt I was the best candidate for job, but did not get it because a minority candidate was given the opportunity, possibly in part to fill a 'quota'. But that is not to say I think what is being done is wrong. It would be right, it would just adversely affect me, but in time I would get over it.

 

In my defence it is not an 'RIP' thread, but a recognition of his death. But it is nice that a boxing forum, you choose to talk about boxing! :good