Rubin "Hurricane" Carter Dead at 76

It was a random killing. I don't know what the motive was suposed to be.

 

No problem, you are an excellent poster, you tend to make a lot more sense than 90% of us!

 

I think you know it's wrong.
Racial discrimination is wrong. End of.

 

Yes, racial discrimination is wrong, indeed some of the worse crimes the world has known is down to a base of racial discrimination. Positive discrimination is a tool that can help rid what is wrong.

 

The scenario you described is racial discrimination. One guy is best candidate for the job, gets shafted because the other guy's the 'right colour'.
I have no idea what "positive discrimination" is. I'm no sure you do either.

 

No the example I used was a personal scenario where I suggested I was the best candidate. But other people may have a different opinions and as stated in the original post there maybe a political reason in the selection. But the reality is a company would probably be mad to pick a candidate who could not do the job. So if I lost out it would almost certainly be to the better candidate, and thus it would be sour grapes on my part, if I was angry about it.

As for positive discrimination, an example would be in American Football where they have the Rooney Rule. That states a 'minority' candidate must be interviewed for a senior job. Since the implantation of the rule there has been an increase in 'minorities' gaining jobs.

 

Ok, but that's different to what you described. In your first scenario, you believed you were shafted out of the job simply because you were white ... and felt the sting of the injustice .... then somehow rationalized it as a good and just thing. When it's obviously a bad thing, and unjust. (and not at all conducive to a just and equal society, imo)

This Rooney rule, as you describe it, is harmless in itself, and can work against prejudice. And I don't see any discrimination in it, assuming no individual is BARRED from applying for the job, or effectively PENALIZED for their skin colour/race/gender/whatever.

 

I think Rubin did it. I just don't know why.

 

Yes it was a very poor initial example by me...

 

You're still rationalizing it.

Saying "a company would be mad to pick a candidate who could not do the job", ..... and then ....... "if I lost out it would almost certainly be to the better candidate, and thus it would be sour grapes on my part, if I was angry about it."

..... you're bending over backwards to apologise for them discriminating against you on racial grounds.

You're almost saying "I thought I was shafted, but it can't be so. I'm white, and that should count against me when there's a black candidate. In fact, it's probably all fair anyway, I can't even judged fairness, because I'm white." .... or as you put it, "must be sour grapes on my part".

This is very similar to the way many oppressed black people were (and sometimes still are) FORCED to think like, to rationalize the everyday injustices in their lives. Brain-washed into believing society couldn't really afford to give them what they are due, even though they know they are the best and paid their dues, rationalizing it by something political in the 'bigger picture', or resigning themselves to 'maybe the white man knows best after all'.

I don't believe this is the route to more equality and justice in society.
It's the people at the bottom who suffer. It breeds distrust and disharmony. It's wrong.


This now has NOTHING to do with boxing. And scarcely relates to Rubin Carter. But in my defense, I did post his KO of Griffith ,first page. :deal

 

Okay

 

I don't know, but apparently (haven't confirmed yet) in a 1964 interview he was boasting about how he used to go out just shooting people, randomly, to scare, hurt or kill.

He was just a nasty violent man.

I don't know if he did the crime. But I think he did enough in his lifetime to merit a good hanging, and that's just based on his own stories.

 

Wow, thank you very much indeed TBooze.

You ain't too shabby yourself!

 

It just seems crazy to go into a bar and shoot random people like that. Women too. Without being Mentally disturbed and unhinged in a permanent way it kind of goes against the honour aspect that is quite a strong strain of boxing.

Did rubin have a beef with the place or the people associated with it? It was a senseless crime.

 

I had to kick **** out of the only mate i have that follows boxing because he said he reckoned Carter would have outpointed Kalambay.