Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Baclava, Dec 21, 2013.


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  1. Baclava

    Baclava Active Member Full Member

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    First of all, I respect the man like any other fighter and I do not know his life, only his fights. I mean - I know his official life story but there is one thing I thought about: I watched Norman Jewison's "Hurricane" probably 5 times and the movie obviously tells the story of a man who was put in prison for a crime he did not commit.
    Then I did a little bit internet research (a few years ago so I do not know which info is out there NOW) and there seemed to be a lot of stuff out there saying he actually did shoot those people in that bar.

    And I thought to myself what people write on the internet doesn't have to mean anything really I was just surprised that so many people seemed to know for whatever reason that he actually did do the crime. Maybe those people in general dislike black people so they post negative stuff just for that reason.
    I personally find it hard to believe that a professional boxer like Rubin Carter would go into a bar and shoot a few (white) people, just for "the fun of it". A boxer has his outlet for his aggression which is the ring and even if boxers do violent crimes outside a ring, it basically never looks like that: going into a bar with a gun to shoot random people.

    As far as I am concerned, Carter is not guilty.
    What do you people think? And where do you think do those people who claim he is guilty get their information from or why do they say what they say?
     
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  2. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Guilty as sin. Cal Deal has pretty much proven this as far as Im concerned. Carter is a scumbag who got out of jail on a procedural technicality. Nothing more.
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carter was far from a 'Saint', but looking at the case and reading the books, I think he was stitched up. He is no murderer.
     
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  4. LobowolfXXX

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    It's interesting that you thought to yourself that what people write on the internet doesn't have to mean anything really. You might have reached the same conclusion about what people put into movies, too. "Hurricane" is not a documentary; Jewison misrepresented facts of the case in order to create his portrayal of Carter as innocent.

    IMO, guilty.
     
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  5. Baclava

    Baclava Active Member Full Member

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    Hey, I check out boxing forums since a few years so I do know very well that some people post untrue stuff on the internet, actually a lot of people do that. Max Baer was also portrayed as a villain in the "Cinderella Man" to juice up the story even though Baer was a joker and a funny guy outside of the ring as we all know.
    I was just trying to write a post without sounding biased or unfair to anybody. Rubin is not here in this forum so I can only do the truth justice if I say that I do not know the truth. Which is the truth.
     
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  6. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Read this and tell me hes innocent. Frankly anyone who studies this case in depth and still thinks Carter is innocent is missing something.

    [url]http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/[/url]
     
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  7. he grant

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    First of all the movie was a typical ultra liberal hollywood loveliest .. as far as if he was guilty or not , who knows … he was certainly no saint, even admitted to crimes he did do as an adult that he could not deny in The 16th Round ( stealing a woman's pocketbook ) that put him back in again for four years … however, post prison it appear for many years he has managed to stay clean and that says something .. you'd think a lifetime inmate would have gotten back in trouble ..
     
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  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is innocent, so I guess from your point of view, I am 'missing something'; do not what that 'something' is though...
     
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  9. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He did have blow ups with both the Canadian hippies who helped to free him, Lezra Martin, and was accused of beating at least one or two women. Id say that speaks more toward his continued self destructive anti social behavior than a supposed reformation.
     
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  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Most of the facts apparently. Innocent people dont need to try to rewrite history, partake in witness tampering, etc. When one cuts through Carters and the liberal bull**** and looks straight at the facts its pretty apparent that hes guilty as sin.
     
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  11. TBooze

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    Being antisocial and far from the 'norm', does not mean you are a murderer. Conjecture and speculation similar to this, cost Carter his freedom, the evidence 'beyond reasonable doubt' suggested he was innocent...
     
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  12. LobowolfXXX

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    What evidence beyond reasonable doubt suggested innocence?
     
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  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly! The lack of evidence to prove his guilt, shows on the balance of reason, there is doubt, thus he is by law innocent.
     
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  14. LobowolfXXX

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    Are you retracting your statement that the evidence 'beyond reasonable doubt' suggested he was innocent?
     
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  15. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yea, that's it. Those people writing negative stuff about him just don't like black people. Please!!!!!!!! Really??????????
     
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