Rubio is a solid challenger.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Aug 26, 2014.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I realize this.

    That is why you think Danny Garcia's annihilation of determined challenger Rod Salka was a fantastic victory. Not everyone agrees with you though...
     
  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    He's solid now but he'll become a "bum" after GGG steamrolls him. At least according to the Golovkin detractors. They picked Stevens, Geale and others to beat him and were singing their praise until GGG beat them, then they became "bums"
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Not me I thought Geale and Stevens could possibly upset GGG, and I still think they're good just not as good as Golovkin. Rubio has a chance and if he loses, I'll still like him.
     
  4. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rubio's road to Golovkin after Chavez Jr fight:

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=506305&cat=boxer
    Jorge Luis Cota Lugo 16-0-0 TKO 7: Last three opponents before Rubio: 10-2-0, 7-2-2, 99-15-1

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7612&cat=boxer
    Carlos Manuel Baldomir 49-14-6 RTD4: Last three opponents before Rubio: 17-5-0, 24-0-0 (Loss), 37-20-4

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=258247&cat=boxer
    Michel Rosales 32-5-0 TKO11: Last three opponents before Rubio: 26-2-0 (Loss), 0-1-0, 43-4-0

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=358363&cat=boxer
    Marcus Upshaw 15-8-2 UD12: Last three opponents before Rubio: 14-1-1, 23-0-0 (Loss), 13-3-0

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=187771&cat=boxer
    Dionisio Miranda 22-8-2 KO 2: Last three opponents before Rubio: 6-1-0, 22-2-1 (Loss), 24-2-2 (Loss)

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=124104&cat=boxer
    Domenico Spada 38-4-0 KO10: Last three opponents before Rubio: 4-20-1, 13-24-3, 12-21-0

    Marco Antonio Rubio vs Domenico Spada:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIg5YHCWHXo&list=PLrOJphV-CcNkvIWVaAN3R_0czoXQMdU9y
     
  5. Super Hans

    Super Hans The Super One™ banned

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    Point out where I said that.

    As I said fights are not fought with resumes, if they was most fighters would be beat in their debuts.

    Coddled hype jobs like Broner might have padded impressive resumes and paper titles based on cherry picks, ref's siding with them, judges always giving them the benefit, etc but it doesn't mean they are any good, but from watching boxing matches with my own eyes I know that, for example, Bundu is better than him.
     
  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I agree. I posted on another thread that this was a decent fight.
     
  7. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah, Rubio is far too slow. He didn't give Pavlik problems whatsoever and he won't give GGG problems either.

    It will be nice for GGG to get the mandatory status for the WBC and challenge Cotto to become the lineal MW champ.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Rubio was considered a joke challenger to Pavlik in 2009, that's all you need to know.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    No he wasn't. :?


    He was considered his 2nd best middleweight opponent after lineal champ Taylor. He was certainly viewed as being a huge step up from Pavlik's title defense immediately prior, Gary Lockett. (if a step down from Pavlik's last actual fight, the Hopkins loss, at light heavy)

    Certainly if anyone thought he was a joke heading in (and nobody did) he earned their respect when all was said and done.
     
  10. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    rubio is very tough but triple G will easily jab him to the ropes then pound his body. possibly a left hook to the head will stagger rubio and game over before the 3rd round. they aren't remotely in the same class.
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good stuff IB.....here's another reason why Rubio deserves respect: The man's shown a willingness to travel a step above and beyond most world class guys.

    *Baysangurov in Ukraine
    *Pavlik in Youngstown
    *Lemieux in Quebec (and for anyone doubting his toughness now as opposed to 10 years ago, watch this fight)
    *JCC Jr in San Antonio

    For me, GGG wins, but Rubio is a tough out and a worthy challenger. He's got the ability, tenacity, size, and power to trouble and realistically beat the other beltholders, but GGG is just a step too far.
     
  12. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Also Rubio is the mw wbc interim champ which will make GGG (if he beats Rubio) the mandatory challenger for Cotto's mw title.
     
  13. STB

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    As much as GGG gets a hard time, I dont think I saw a single non-troll predict Stevens would beat him.

    Most of the crap he gets is for fighting guys like Stevens
     
  14. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    He could beat Froch and Ward @168 the same night and these haters would say that Froch was past of his prime/old and Ward was tooooo rusty. :patsch
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    One more bullet point, and one correction to an oversight...

    Rubio has popped the cherries of four previously unbeaten middleweights and one previously unbeaten light middleweight, all WBC top 15 ranked when he fought them - all by KO. Jose Varela 16-0 (11), David Toribio 12-0 (7), Wilson Santana 11-0 (7), David Lemieux 25-0 (24), Jorge Cota 16-0 (16) - total combined record of 80-0 (65). He fought three other unbeatens in his career, in his losses to 8-0 (8.) Baby Roman (later avenged by KO, but Jesus Soto Karass had beaten Rubio to Roman's cherry), 14-0 (12) Zaurbek Baysangurov (dropped and nearly KO1'ed by Rubio before taking control and boxing carefully to a decision), and 44-0-1 (31) Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (who Rubio gave absolute hell even though in RBR scoring it was a clear victory for the functional cruiserweight, rehydrating from 159 to 181lbs and prompting Rubio to successfully file suit against the WBC for not enforcing contractual mandatory drug testing on Chavez...). Now, while Golovkin would obviously be grouped with the unbeaten types who defeated Rubio (that is, world class talents like Baysangurov and Chavez) rather than any of the prospects he beat (none of whom to date has even contended for a world title, let alone held one) - but the point is that Rubio has eight times in his career fought unbeaten opponents, most of them with pretty high KO rates, and has never batted an eyelash striding confidently into the fray. He was competitive with all three of those who beat him and destroyed the five he beat.



    Also, there was originally no mention of Murray there when listing top middleweights or those Rubio doesn't necessarily stand head and shoulders above. He is the current WBC silver champ and current #1 contender (just behind Rubio, who as interim champ is numberless but ahead of #1) and is taking on #9 Spada next, providing an opportunity for some comparative analysis with Rubio's domination of Spada in April. In addition to his alphabet ranking, Murray is consistently rated highly in h2h discussion by fans based largely on his performances going (rather controversially in both cases) 0-1-1 challenging Sergio Martinez and Felix Sturm back when both were seen as having something left. His best officially recorded W's are Bursak, Khomitsky x2, Blackwell, Navarro, and his run of Rea/Butler/Renda in the Prizefighter tourney back in 2008. Decent enough resume and rightfully in contention but outside those nights where he didn't get the nod he never has beaten anyone top shelf...and it has since become apparent just how badly Martinez and Sturm have been sliding (though debate is open as to when their declines really picked up speed and whether Murray fought versions of them worth crowing over). As for Martinez and Sturm, incidentally, they were omitted intentionally when listing top middleweights as by now it should be plain that both are dead men walking.

    h2h, based on his struggles with Khomitsky (twice) - who is a very able veteran but not Rubio's peer in terms of the ammunition he is packing or his mastery of the pressuring craft or upset-scoring panache - I would probably not tip Murray, although based on his showings with Martinez and Sturm, if we are to assume they were even remotely themselves still when he fought them...as well as his dominance of fringe world class Maksim Bursak, you would have to figure it would be pretty close and competitive.