Ruiz exposes Wilder and his team badly

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All you do is wine about Fury. Your arguments are pathetic at best, especially tied with the ironic notion that I'm a Fury gaslighter when all you've done since the creation of your account less than a year ago is post about Fury
     
  2. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Stop lying and gaslighting. Warren is employed by Fury. He plans things Fury tells him to plan. What, do you think it's actually Warren who tells Fury who to fight, what to do with his legacy? :DDDD Do you think it was Warren or Arum who cooked up this idiotic Ngannou thing? You do know that both Warren and Arum talked s*** about crossover fights in the past, right? But now Warren wants Ngannou to fight Fury, he orders Fury to fight an MMA guy and Fury obediently obliges, right? :DDDD Dear oh dear. Your arguments are weaker by the minute.

    The Wilder rematch was in the works because Fury didn't want the smoke.

    I ask you, for the umpteenth time: why didn't Fury go after Joshua? Your lame "because they wanted the Wilder rematch" is not an answer as it doesn't answer the core issue. Why did Fury want a Wilder rematch instead of facing Joshua? Once again: Joshua had all the belts Fury claimed were his, and that's why he returned to boxing in the first place. Joshua is the other Brit Fury claimed he needed to beat. And Joshua had all the money in HW boxing.

    Why didn't Fury sign to fight him? For the second time, because you really are looking like having some comprehension problems: the Wilder rematch is not an answer. The question is exactly this: why did he go after the Wilder rematch instead of facing Joshua? Joshua was the superior option in terms of resume, money and legacy. Why go after Wilder when Joshua and Hearn were more than willing to sign the fight?

    Also, your narrative went from "Fury was still looking for tune-ups in early 2019" to "he was looking for the Wilder rematch" :DDDDDD

    Honestly, man, your arguments are all over the place. It's so easy to pick you apart.
     
  3. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    "Fury was still looking for tune-ups in February 2019, two months after having a title fight against Wilder."

    :DDDDDDDDDD

    Comedy gold.
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly and Fury wanted to go the Wilder route which is why he was talking about it being planned all the way back in 2018, before your presumed date of "ducking", which makes your point mute
    What he's doing now has nothing to do with the decisions he made in 2019. This is a red herring fallacy.
    No it's because the WBC belt was the only belt he hadn't won. He beat Klitschko already and won every belt that aj has. That's a fact. And Joshua lost to Ruiz in 2019, so how would Fury have fought him anyway ?
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

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    This was in regards to 2018.
     
  6. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    You are still evading the main question: why go after Wilder instead of Joshua? Why sign for a Wilder rematch instead of fighting Joshua? The original Wilder contract was for only one fight. Why didn't Fury fight Joshua after the first Wilder fight?
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

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    You dodged my question again.

    Wheres the proof that this happened ?
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    Because the WBC was the only belt he hadn't won yet. He already beat Klitschko and won all the belts aj had. Him going the Wilder route is not ducking, because he didn't even win the first Wilder fight to win the belt. And aj lost to Ruiz
     
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  10. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    No, mate. I asked you this:

    My question was about Fury signing to ESPN in February 2019. To which you replied:

    That was your argument, mate. You replied to the question of "why did Fury sign the ESPN deal in early 2019 instead of signing to fight Joshua" that "he was looking for easy tune-ups".
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

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    I meant to reply to this
    The 2018 part.
     
  12. spravedlivylev

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    AJ lost to Ruiz in the middle of 2019. And in any case, I reiterate: Fury did nothing but talked about Joshua and how he had his belts throughout 2018:

    https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...nthony-joshua-would-be-the-biggest-fight-ever

    https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...ight-anthony-joshua-easier-wladimir-klitschko

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ght-calls-out-beat-him-tomorrow-a8302111.html

    https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-ne...-i-would-avoid-me-id-jab-your-face-off/100647

    https://themaclife.com/sports/tyson-fury-on-anthony-joshua/

    He literally did nothing else but talked about fighting Joshua and getting his belts back. It was palpable how bothered Fury was that the British public loved Joshua back then, and how much of a cash cow Joshua was. Joshua back then was everything Fury wanted to be.

    And he duly kept talking about how easy it would be to beat Joshua and that was the main reason behind his returning to boxing.

    But when the opportunity presented itself, when Joshua and Hearn literally chased him with a contract, he went and signed the Wilder route.

    That is a duck, a plain and blatant one. You arguing otherwise is the very proof that you are a Fury fan with an agenda, mate. Fury literally never talked about Wilder or the WBC before the build-up for the first fight. He didn't care about Wilder or the WBC. Really, go look it up. No mention about Wilder or the WBC belt from Fury before October 2018. Not a word. But he was obsessed with Joshua. He has always been obsessed with Joshua and couldn't stop talking about how easy it would be to beat him. That's how he spent his entire 2018. Yet, he avoided him when Joshua was there, ready to fight him for the biggest pay day of Fury's life up to that point. When it was time to back up all the talk bout how he would get his belts back and how easy it would be, he chickened out and went for the Wilder rematch.

    That's textbook ducking, mate. Fury was just all talk and no walk, even back then.
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    Just after that he was in talks to fight Wilder
    https://www.ringtv.com/540462-deont...-for-heavyweight-title-fight-later-this-year/
    And there's a reason for that
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxi...ing-blockbuster-showdown-with-deontay-wilder/
    Tyson Fury and Peter Fury were already looking to take over again and eyed Wilder as in opponent back in 2016

    Joshua was also already planning to fight Miller in January 2019, after Wilder/Fury 1, which is also a reason why Fury went for a Wilder rematch

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...0/anthony-joshua-vs-jarrell-miller-fight/amp/
     
  14. spravedlivylev

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    What utter nonsense, mate. Joshua was planning to fight Miller as a stay-busy fight, not instead of Fury.

    Anyway, it's mind-boggling you believe the Fury propaganda. You don't believe your eyes, you don't recognise patterns of how big fights always collapse around Fury unless he has no option but to take them. He ducked David Price when Price was still unbeaten and a big prospect. He ducked Ustinov, a big, heavy, dangerous guy. He ducked Whyte when Whyte was still unbeaten and dangerous. He ducked Joshua when Joshua was still unbeaten and the unified champion. And he has been ducking Usyk since early last year (until I see him actually touching gloves with Usyk before the first round I don't believe for a second he will face Usyk).

    He is a Mayweather-esque cherry picker but you are blind to the facts. Oh well, you do you.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    Hang on a minute.
    I showed you why this was false, as Fury was already eyeing Wilder in 2016
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...s-out-artur-szpilka-then-confronts-tyson-fury
    But since you want to ignore it, fine. What's ridiculous is how you claim Fury ducked Whyte when he has beaten Whyte. Lol. Whyte was never dangerous. He lost to aj, drew with Parker, and got KO'd by Povetkin. But hey, at least Whyte beat Povetkin in the rematch just before losing to Fury, if you want to go there.

    You nothing but talk about Fury. Why ?
     
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