Ruiz has just exploded the myth of the superheavyweight

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is about using what you have and fighting your fight if you can and Joshua is taller. He has to put Ruiz at the end of the stick and throw punches when he steps in and then hold. The greatest fighters get a gameplan and stick to it. Look at Spinks against Holmes. One thing fighters like Jermaine Taylor or Khan did not learn was to fight the style which benefits them and not get in brawls, which was not their fight if they had such nice skills. But they gave guys their chin and lost fights. And then you have Hopkins who knew how to fight guys with speed which was not great.. You didn't see him brawl with Pavlik. This is a test of Joshua. One loss does not mean as much as people think. Styles make fights
     
  2. CarlChilders

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    Lol Evander Holyfield was around 6'1 and 205 and beat 6'5 240 pound guys. So you don't need to be 230. Anyway the best size for a heavyweight is between 6'1 to 6'5 and between 205 to 240.

    Let me say this again. The moment anybody uses the term super heavyweight you know they are a casual. Wladimir Klistchko turned pro back in the 90s. Nobody considered 6'5 230/240 to be a super heavyweight. Guys like Leroy Jones 6'5 230, Leroy Jones 6'5 230-270, Gerry Cooney 6'5 230, Roy "Tiger" Williams 6'5 240. Jack O"Halloran 6'6 240. ect ect were pros in the 70s and nobody considered them super heavyweights. Now because some brain dead guy like Max Kellerman, Brian Kenny and others on TV use the term now casuals at home use the term. With the exception of Joe Frazier, Jerry Quarry, and Earnie Shavers pretty much every other contender in the 70's was at least 6'2 plus. Ali was 6'2 1/2 220, Ken Norton was 6'3 220. George Foreman 6'3 230, Ron Lyle 6'3 220. Randall "Tex" Cobb 6'3 230, Larry Holmes 6'3 205, Duane Bobick 6'3 220, Larry Middleton 6'5, Joe Bugner 6'4 220, Chuck Wepner, 6'5 220, Henry Clark 6'3 220, Bernado Mercardo 6'4 220, John Tate 6'4 230. and the countless guys like Mac Foster who were around 6'2. The main difference is these guys or at least most of them had skill and were in great shape. Most of these guys now are just over weight with little skill.
     
  3. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Completely pointless post. You spent an hour on boxrec. Good for you.
     
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  4. CarlChilders

    CarlChilders Member banned Full Member

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    Lol right my post is pointless because a casual fan typed it. Ohh I am so hurt by your internet comment. I am so hurt that I will just put you on ignore. Bye bye kid. Now go learn something about boxing before you dare type something to me a gain.
     
  5. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And was like 2 feet smaller
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ruiz was nearly 270,you know this is by WEIGHT not height classes right ?

    We already have a sub 215 pounder Wilder but he can punch....ANYONE with a punch is a threat. Ruiz has that and speed, but show me a 6'1 guy of both other then Ruiz? There is none, you just cant grab a guy off the street and put him in the ring. lol

    more then not a dominant big man will still be the guy to beat ,there's still 3 ...wilder 6'7...fury 6'9 AND Joshua to all the newbs on here...yes AJ will still be favorite over ANDY. lol
     
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  7. Blue Bomber

    Blue Bomber Gold Member banned Full Member

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    yesterdays result is making the Usyk haters even more fearful over whats to come
     
  8. CarlChilders

    CarlChilders Member banned Full Member

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    Lol you mean the Usyk lovers who talk about how great he will do at heavyweight even though he hasn't even had a heavyweight fight yet.
     
  9. CarlChilders

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    Ruiz was maybe 5 to 6 inches shorter. The last time I checked there was a heavyweight division based off weight not height.
     
  10. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    The biggest heavyweight of them all Tyson Fury at 6'9" 260 pounds has more skills than the lot of them

    fear the fury
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Imagine Ruiz vs Kownacki for all the marbles

    Then the winner makes his first Defence against Tom Schwartz
     
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  12. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Please. Once Ruiz has successfully defended the belt a half dozen times and or beat Fury and or Wilder, THEN you can say it "exploded" the "myth". Until then, its just a one shot win. They have always happened in the division and always will, and shorter fighters will get plenty of those wins. The SHW's are the ones who dominate the division, though. That is unlikely to change, but if Ruiz clears out the division then you can start crowing.
     
  13. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    So you mention it’s about weight and cite Ruiz being 270, then you mention the 3 big men as Fury Joshua and Wilder... Wilder weighed 214 vs Ortiz. I know you said his power is The outlier. Well Mike Tyson was 5’11 and he also had power. So I say once again, size can only get you so far you have to have the ability, the boxing smarts, the heart, the guts, the conditioning, you have to be the total package. If you possess all this and are the bigger man then maybe you will dominate.. I feel like you were one of the guys telling us that Joshua would beat many of the all-time great‘s of the past. Joshua doesn’t appear to take a punch to well, doesn’t defend well when hurt and has a bad gas tank. He seemed to keep looking towards the corner when hurt for help. Bad signs. He may spark Andy out in a rematch but he’s definitely MUCH more vulnerable than many on this Forum thought.
     
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  14. Dance84

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    He was 260+ still a super heavyweight
     
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  15. Rock0052

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    Its odd that a guy who's taller than Frazier and outweighs prime Wlad by about 20 pounds somehow represents a classic era heavyweight and "blows up the super heavyweight myth".

    He blew it up alright. 260 is the new 240!