Ruiz has parted with trainer under haymons orders!

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  1. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, I've picked him over Fury, still do. And Ruiz didn't just step off the bleachers to win the title, he's been at that level for a while.
     
  2. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Ruiz is such a sad waste. The way he showed up in the rematch was beyond despicable.
     
  3. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Talent wise he is awesome.

    Dedication, discipline and application wise he is a miserable failure.

    I would not have minded if he lost the rematch as long as he made it competitive and gave Joshua a hell of a fight but all he did was show up out of shape and fight is 10 second bursts.
     
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  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    It was an irresponsible showing, made worse by all the lip service he gave us pre fight.
     
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  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's definitely a bit simple. Not the most articulate and wasn't willing to put in a shift when it really mattered. Could've made a lot more of himself.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    Al Haymon is not only complete and utter scum, but clearly has a low comprehension level, if on any level he thinks it's Robles' fault that Andy got his ears boxed off in the rematch, he's deluding himself and looking for someone to blame. That finger can only point directly towards one man and one man only. Andy Ruiz Jr. because of a mixture hubris and laziness. Despicable from Haymon, and sad that Ruiz would reflexively comply that easily. Someone needs to smack some sense into him, and maybe some loyalty while they're at it.
     
  7. Malph

    Malph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The more I think of it, the more I like it.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haymon signed Ruiz in early 2019, after Arum got sick of Ruiz never reaching his potential.

    Haymon got Ruiz three fights, two of those fights for three of the belts. And Ruiz's checks amounted to roughly $16 million by year's end.

    Haymon is not scum and he isn't a monster. He did his job. And he still is, by advising him to dump Robles.

    Ruiz's trainer got a cut of about 10 percent of those purses (or roughly $1.6 million).

    But the truth is, Andy Ruiz got fatter each time he stepped in the ring last year. And his trainer got paid more for each fight.

    And if you, as the trainer, are going to accept the million+ dollars to TRAIN the fighter, and your boxer shows up in the ring weighing about 300 pounds, and loses his title because he was poorly trained, THAT'S ON YOU.

    They paid his trainer basically one million, six hundred thousand dollars to get the fighter in shape. That was his job on the team.

    Everyone has a job on the team. The advisor advised. The promoter promoted. The manager managed. The fighter fought. And the trainer failed.

    What was the training schedule? What was the diet he insisted on? How many miles a day did he tell his fighter to run? Did he monitor any of this? Did he even know where the fighter was? At what point did the trainer just decide to show up to collect a check? A month before the fight? Two months before?

    IF you prepare your fighter and he doesn't listen to you when the bell rings, that's on the fighter.

    If you don't prepare the fighter properly before the bout ... and yet you don't do anything to change the situation ... and you're still standing there with your hand out waiting for your cut after the 300-pound fighter you didn't train properly fails ... you can't take the money and blame the fighter.

    Robles didn't do his job. He needs to go.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly.

    And who knows what kind of trainer Ruiz needs. I don't know if a screamer is necessarily the right idea. Maybe Ruiz just needs someone who will dump him if he doesn't listen.

    Certainly, a guy like Robles, who just goes along for the ride and so he can collect that check isn't the answer.

    But it's difficult to give the trainer a pass when a fighter shows up to an event in the condition Ruiz was in.

    The trainer is supposed to prepare the fighter for the bout. The accountant isn't. The guy designing the robes isn't.

    When Thomas Hearns showed up for the first Ray Leonard fight and weighed in on the day of the fight at 145, looking like a skeleton, he just glared from the scale at Steward, who admitted he'd screwed up (as the trainer) and should've watched Hearn's weight and diet more carefully.

    Getting the fighter ready is on the trainer. That's what they are paid to do.

    After that last showing, Robles had to go. Had to. I haven't seen a fighter show up so poorly conditioned for a title fight in years.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Robles is a good guy. Fat Andy has a reputation for being lazy in the gym

    I posted this last month

     
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  11. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a real shame. Robles was perfect for him.
    Kind of on the fence to blame Haymon though.

    Haymon may have given him a chance and all when nobody else would but it's the fighter's responsibility to listen to the trainer.
    Then again, it's not necessary for Haymon to advise Ruiz to dump trainers when he's not doing well, considering his reputation.

    So if he does worse with Atlas, is Haymon gonna advise him to dump him too?
     
  12. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’m calling it now, Ruiz will:
    Unfortunately, Robles is such a nice guy that he’ll likely welcome him back.
     
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  13. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Teddy Atlas is in for some major high blood pressure. After this train wreck, Teddy’s gonna view Moorer’s work ethic and appetite for destruction, compared to that of Ruiz, on the level of Marciano and Hagler.
     
  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    Teddy is washed up. His mind strayed into delusion and never made it out. He believes his own bull**** over reality.
     
  15. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol at the Mcdonalds signing haha
    And unfortunately you're right about Robles. Too nice of a guy to not accept Ruiz back, assuming he does come crawling back.

    Out of curiosity, does Robles have any other fighters? Is he a good trainer?