Ruiz, Jr. vs Two-Ton Tony Galento

Champ in the worst time in boxing history does not say a lot, Fury stinks also, Wallin was paid off, after he gave an accidental severe cut, he held that left next to his face like it was glued, LOL!, definitely paid off, he waited till the last round to try again after he let the bum build up points, Fury is absolutely awful as is Ruiz, big deal Ruiz hits hard, has a chin, what my list of fighter in history that match that and suk, just because he is champ means nothing, Wilder is not too bad, but he will destroy Tyson and Ruiz, and he is not near any AtG but will prove in the end to be the best of todays bums.

 

This is the best of times.

That was Fury's Marciano-Charles II moment... His Ali-Foster moment... Only better.

All Hail The King!

 

This. I used to see Ruiz at Goossen’s earlier in his career and seen him get dumped by several trainers despite his talent due to his terrible diet. The head trainer at my old gym Salvador Villa had Ruiz for a short while, but dumped him, since Ruiz wouldn’t change his diet. I once seen Ruiz eat an entire tres leches cake by himself, which is pretty hard to do.

Also, people keep bringing up Ruiz’s extensive amateur career, which is irrelevant, since Galento had an extensive professional career and fought tougher competition than Ruiz did. Ruiz doesn’t even have 200 rounds as a professional compared to Galento, who had over 500 rounds under his belt as a pro.

 

Andy Ruiz a fat slob vs Tony Galento a fat slob. Andy Ruiz the fat slob had far more talent than fat slob Galento. So Andy Ruiz for the win.

 

Lol yeah because the fighters of the 30s weren't bums. Also kid no fighter from the 30s were all time greats. They were great in their own era. Boxing has evolved considerably in the last 90 years. If you can't see that then you shouldn't be watching boxing. Even somebody as unskilled as Wilder is light years beyond what the fighters from the 30's were capable of. Fury is a big unskilled buffoon but compared to guys like Buddy Baer and Abe Simon he is a boxing expert. Things change kid, that may hurt you since you still want to live in your little fantasy world where these crude tomato cans of the early 1900's could compete against anything modern fighters do.

 

The fight I want to see is Don Cokkell vs Andy Ruiz

 

Why? Cokkell wouldn't even beat Callum Smith.

 

What reason is there to believe that Nova was probably better than Ruiz? I don't see any basis for it.

 

Big Tony KO8

 

Based on what?

You need to stop thinking in terms of what weight class fighters would be in now based on how small the heavyweights were then. It is lazy thinking and it doesn’t convert so simple as that. That logic only works if everything that is normal now was normal then. And it was not.

Then as now, fighters were that size because under the rules and training of the day that’s how big the best fighters had to be. You couldn’t get that good being any heavier or taller in those days. Under those conditions everything levelled off there. That’s the size you had to be for those conditions. The science they have now wasn’t there yet.

To be fair, Don himself is an unusual subject because while he was forced into the wrong division because of some medical condition he still did very well. He could really fight.

What weight class would you put Andy Ruiz in during Cokkells era?

 

To be fair, Ray Arcel once said Nova was good enough to give any heavyweight in history all they could handle. And this was in the 1980s. He still really rated Nova.

 

Ray Arcel's a brilliant boxing mind but his nostalgic exaggerations about his former fighters never really do much for me.

 

Based on the eye test, my perception of Smith and Cokkell's respective skill and talent levels, and their fighting styles.

And I see no reason whatsoever to believe that Cokkel v. Ruiz would be any kind of compelling matchup. None.

I don't know what any of this has to do with anything, or how it relates to my post.

To answer your. question, Ruiz would be a heavyweight in Cokkell's era. Obviously.

 

The trouble with eye tests is it is only relative to the standard of opposition. How good a fighter can look against one guy is not transferable Against every opponent.

you don’t think it could be a compelling tactical fight? Fat Andy has fast hands, he keeps coming and big Don is a sharp boxer with good durability and movement. I think their styles match up quite well.

ok. Perhaps. But if he were, what sized heavyweight would Ruiz be?

 

And what makes Ruiz better than Nova? One fight?