Ruiz v Joshua II

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scissors, Jul 31, 2019.


  1. ryuken87

    ryuken87 Active Member Full Member

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    If it isn't all sorted soon I can see Arum and Warren getting the WBO to strip Ruiz and Fury fighting for it in December. Arum and Warren both love a WBO belt.
     
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  2. Scissors

    Scissors Ex British Forum Poster. Full Member

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    It will be but Ruiz will just be holding out saying what’s the worst that can happen if I pull out? Lose some of the belts and a fine? He knows AJ wants all the belts. So he’s effectively playing hardball and holding them to ransom.

    I don’t blame him but I assume he hasn’t got a leg to stand on legally.
     
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  3. Scissors

    Scissors Ex British Forum Poster. Full Member

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    Good luck to Fury. Usyk has been declared mandatory.
     
  4. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Hearn will be more concerned about the belts getting scattered than Ruiz will.
     
  5. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, total disaster at that point. They need to throw whatever money at Andy that he's asking for and then add another big bag of gold on top. It's amazing that they are playing around.
     
  6. im sparticus

    im sparticus To The Upmost Full Member

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    Reverse psychology really. It's not on ruiz terms, if he's signed a rematch clause which gives MR the right to pick the venue.
    As long as MR have the rematch clause water tight, it will be on MR terms.
    Andy is trying to tilt himself some negotiating terms, by threatening not to do the rematch, because of (a) it's in Saudi," I fear for my life there"or (b)" I'm not going to UK because of what happened to rivas". Things like this is putting the wind up Hearn, as he wants the belts back asap for a.j, but Haymon had better watch how far he keeps pushing, because he could end up falling off the cliff. In a way it's very interesting, let's see who's nerve holds out the most.
    Calling a.j scared is just reverse psychology from Andy. He wants the rematch in usa and he's trying to bait a.j.
     
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  7. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I imagine it largely has been done; Ruiz may just be angling for a few more quid but like him or loathe him Hearn has never seemed the type to risk his own money on running a whole promotional tour, having all the promos cut and dried and so on without the contracts being signed.
     
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  8. Citizen Smith

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    From what I have read and in line with a couple of posters yesterday, the bout is yet to be signed. He's signed for the rematch but not bout 2. When listening to Eddie in all these vids he's very quickly saying it's already signed, meaning Andy has put his signature down to take a rematch, but that has to be signed off as well once the details are known.
     
  9. im sparticus

    im sparticus To The Upmost Full Member

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    More like Haymon could be playing a blinder.
     
  10. TBC-ASAP

    TBC-ASAP Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well I meant Team Ruiz
     
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    This certainly gives a strong impression that Ruiz’s signature is on the original rematch clause contract and not something specific for Saudi
     
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  12. WrightStuff

    WrightStuff New Member Full Member

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    So technically Ruiz is contractually bound by the rematch terms in the original contract : 'rematch to be at a venue of Matchrooms choosing' or some such clause.
    I guess if it goes to court they will try to argue that the original contract was unconscionable so not binding.
    Maybe they can find a friendly judge to rule that Saudi isn't safe.
    I have no doubt Eddie has already got standby UK venues on retainer and will just whip that out if it comes to it.
     
  13. londonboxingess

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    As I've said time and time again, Hearn is used to playing in the UK leagues where he is the Celtic and can do what he wants, he has now moved Celtic into the Champions League and is now not the big dog and against other promoters with massive money, influence and seen Hearn's type a thousand times before.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For all we know, Ruiz and his advisers might have already decided they can wait until next spring to fight again and even if Hearn has a water tight legal contract they can be difficult and take this half way through the courts if need be.

    If Ruiz is looking for further excuses to delay for more money, the whole Saudi Arabia thing plays right into his hands.
    There are legitimate reasons to be hesitant of fighting in Saudi Arabia anyway, as media coverage in this country is already making clear.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    It was obvious Ruiz hadn't agreed to Saudi Arabia when Hearn gave the interview the other day (Boxing Social, I think).

    Even if Hearn wins this battle, he looks like a loser.
    It makes him look desperate.

    I still don't like how Madison Square Garden isn't the venue again.
    Both fighters made statements quite soon after the first fight to say MSG, NY would be a good place for the rematch. Joshua has made no complaints about the first fight and how it was conducted in New York.
    It looks to me as if Hearn and others have decided they can't have that, so this is where we are at.
     
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