Ruiz W12 Golota (2004): insights, comments?

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  1. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm watching Ruiz vs. Golota (2004) right now. Very, very strange fight. Extremely hard to score. I really don't know what to make of it.

    Something that's obvious is Golota, in this fight, is not the same fighter he was earlier in his career. His jab is gone, and he's unable to score much on the outside.

    Ruiz, of course, is hard to analyze as a fighter. It's not easy to see when, or how, he scores his punches. Obviously he does a lot of clinching and bulling.

    Can anyone tell what Ruiz's cornerman, Norman Stone, is upset about? The video I'm watching is a foreign language broadcast, so I can't understand the commentary. It looks like Stone is angry at referee Randy Neuman.

    What do you guys think about this fight?
     
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  2. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay, starting in the seventh round I can see where Ruiz becomes effective. For the first time in the fight he begins to connect with clean left hooks to the body. In the eighth and ninth rounds he brawls effectively, sometimes coming over the top with right hands and left hooks. Prior to these rounds, though, I couldn't tell that he was scoring with anything.
     
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  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I thought John came back pretty strong in the second half and though I didnt score it I thought he may have just overcome the early deficit.

    I almost never watch John Ruiz fights more then once though.

    Stoney is just being stoney..he is pissed off at Golota's fouling and thinks the ref is being hard on Jawnny. He is an absolute fruitloop but good value.
     
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  4. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I recently watched the fight. Stoney was pissed at the ref. One of the knockdowns was kind of BS as well that was scored. Ruiz just didnt have the power to make Golota quit, but he beat him.
     
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  5. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the second knockdown should not have been acknowledged by the referee. Ruiz was clinching, and was then wrestled around while being hit to the body by Golota. It looked like Ruiz was flung down.

    In the second half of the fight Ruiz was winning rounds by connecting with clean punches while brawling. I didn't see that he was effective through the first six rounds though, except at stalling Golota.
     
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  6. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I don't remember my scorecard exactly but I think Golota won by a point or two. Many rounds could go either way, but Ruiz was 2 times down (one time very controversial) so Andrew needed 4 round to earn a draw, and I think that he stole more than 4 rounds...dirty, dirty fight
     
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  7. klompton

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    Golota was robbed, just like he was against byrd...
     
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  8. dabox

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    yeah golota won the fight
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Six rounds apiece. With the two knockdowns and the point deduction, 114-111 for Golota.

    That two judges gave Ruiz NINE rounds in that fight is borderline criminal.
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I had Golota winning by 2 or 3 points if memory serves. A bit of of a job, I think.
     
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  11. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    I should watch this one again. Although I didn't score when I watched it live, I remember feeling that Golota nicked it after Ruiz accelerated over the last half of the match.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    The fight I really thought Golota won was with Byrd.

    I had him winning that one 116-112, and I believe that was the case to this day.

    Golota's career is one that is often viewed as a failure, and not without reason. However, I do think he redeemed himself after the Tyson fiasco with his efforts against Byrd and Ruiz.

    I truly believe he won both of those fights. This was an older Golota who was no longer physically what he was during his prime, but he still had enough in the tank to beat two reigning title holders.

    After his fight with Grant, Golota's left arm was never the same. So when he fought Byrd and Ruiz, not only were his best day behind him, but he was without his primary weapon, the jab.

    Golota's career, both inside and outside the ring, make a very interesting story.

    I think it would make a fantastic movie. He was the anti-Rocky in many ways.
     
    Rumsfeld, Feb 10, 2010
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  13. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    Agreed.

    His war with Byrd was a fun fight....and I really think they brought out the best in each other.

    Golota was slipping by that point but so was Byrd to some extent.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Golota won the fight. Ruiz was Don King's pet.
     
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  15. Russell

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    Wasn't Golota a King fighter as well?

    Can't see more there being more latino fans for Ruiz then fans of Golota. He could of put on some huge fights in Europe with Andrew... Look at ****ing Adamek/Golota.
     
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