Rummy's Corner: Top 50 Most Spectacular KOs

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Jun 13, 2011.


  1. Super Hans

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    The A-side should be the ticket seller, and GGG does better ratings, is in more entertaing fights and sells more tickets than Ward. I believe Ward only sold somewhere around the 4,000 ticket mark for his fight v Dawson which is poor.

    It would be similar to Rigondeaux being A-side to Frampton. Never going to happen.

    If you look at Sergio Martinez's way he bent to get Chavez Jr in the ring, or Cotto, that's what Ward needs to realise- accomplishments/ pound for pound rating etc, don't always improve drawing power.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Why do you and Beouche think Ward is too big for SMW? Did I miss something? Has Ward gone on record saying this?

    Also, saying he's 2 divisions bigger than Golovkin is a stretch.

    But Ward should hold off on the Kovalev fight for the same reason GGG should hold off on the Ward fight, which is also for the same reason Floyd, Cotto, and Canelo will not be looking in Golovkin's direction.
     
  3. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Because there is no way his power should be as devastating at 168 against bigger stornger foes, when middleweight is his optimal weight class. Again, he's an exceptional puncher at 160. I'd like to see him prove it at 168 before I make the assumption that he will automatically carry it up, when so many fighters in history have had trouble doing so when moving up from weights they were already comfortable at.
     
  5. Oxygene2

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    Thing about GGG is that 160 is so perfect for him. He easily makes the weight even well into his 30's now. He has a robust yet lithe body type that is built to destroy at 160. IMO he doesn't come across as a guy who will carry efficiently into higher weight-classes as a general rule, but he has the quality to still succeed nonetheless.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    GGG is still short on accomplishments, where Ward has far outpaced him, even with his recent career missteps. Maybe you're right. But I always imagined GGG would concede to being the B-side, given his lack of significant victories.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed, across the board.

    :good
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    There are numerous plausible explanations that can account for this. But you're convinced it's because Ward can't make 168? Maybe you're right, but I think he's likely hedging his bets, preparing to be able to go north 3 or south 4 given the right opportunity.
     
  9. Cafe

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    Perhaps but Maidana is no Ward.
     
  10. stebinn

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    GGG should just stay at middleweight. Andre Ward should be calling out Kovalev instead.
     
  11. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    He's a natural middleweight, 160 is absolutely perfect for him. Most guys who you see hop through weight divisions usually do so because they start at lower weight classes when they are young and when they can no longer "cut" it or as their body naturally grows with age, they jump up.
     
  12. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    If he could make 168, he'd be right back in there beating everyone in sight. He cleared out 168 a long time ago. And theres no one there who could beat him since

    175 is a different kettle of fish

    Both Kovalev and Beterbiev would at the very least badly hurt him

    Every boxing fan respects Andre's skills

    Most boxing fans also now see Andre's blatant cowardice
     
  13. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Yeah, seeing now he fights at LHW :yep
     
  14. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo - is a big LMW who barely makes weight, he is only 24, it's only natural for him to move up and fight Golovkin.
    Cotto - is the lineal MW champ who continues to fight in MW, it doesn't get more obvious than that; he's a natural GGG opponent.
    Floyd - shouldn't ideally be fighting GGG but when you claim to be "TBE", it is expected of you to go beyond what would be expected of an ordinary welterweight. The fight proposed to be at 154, only 2lbs upwards of the weight he fought Canelo.
    Ward - He was fighting at LHW when he was 20 years old, Golovkin was always a LMW or MW; never above, the gap is just too big, however, for the same reason, he is a perfect opponent for Kovalev. It's one of the best fights that can be made in today's boxing scene. I'd prefer a top shape Ward vs Kovalev fight to Adonis vs Kovalev.
     
  15. Oxygene2

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    Also, another important factor is GGG's style. His manner of stalking his prey and being a predator in the ring in walking them down, willing to take some straight shots in order to land his @rsenal, is not a style that will efficiently transfer up in weight against naturally larger and stronger fighters. As stated, he has the ability to be successful in bigger classes, but there are many things that work against him producing as efficient a jump in weight-class as compared to many other fighters who can and have managed to do so.