Run from a 40 year old, Bradley ! Run !

like the way Canelito was running from Mayweather.

 

You think age was a major factor in a split decision loss? In your opinion how many 20 something year old welterweights on the planet can beat let alone compete with JMM right now? I'm guessing not too many.

I agree about being a former featherweight of 50 fights but now we're talking size adjustment and wear and tear which to me, is different than age.

I can't name 1 fighter that you requested but referencing sports history is tricky. With advances in medical technology (and I don't mean PEDS) I think we will see more champions/top contenders into their late thirties early 40's in all weight classes.

 

:deal

 

another blind butthurt mexican.:deal

 

I said this time and time again especially after the KTFO6. These "warriors" get overhyped as skillful great fighters just because they'll entertaining. JMM definitely falls in that category. He looks awesome against a guy who exchanges but shitty against who boxes him and now people are pissed that he got out boxed. JMM is just a master of rocket sockem. Technician he is not.

 

Khan is the one usually running.

 

Marquez showed no class at all in the ring and defo out the ring well done Bradley its first time u impressed me

 

Morales, Barrera and now JMM are overhyped fighters on this forum. If you can't deal with the likes of Raheem or even Bradley, your not great. The proof is right in front of all your eyes. Please stop hyping these bums up.

 

Marquez is easily in my top 5 favorite fighters, but I really felt that unless he could catch Bradley, he'd have a hard time. I like to believe that Marquez could apply intelligent pressure in the right situation and against the right opponent, but I think that Bradley was much too fleet of foot for Marquez. What really bothers me is seeing Marquez take the loss so badly. It's really a styles fight, and Marquez and Nacho should have known that they would have to give chase, or make Bradley exchange and sit on his punches to find effectiveness with the Marquez/Nacho counter-punching style.

I really had two predictions for this fight, one, Bradley gets sucked into a fire fight and gets blasted out, which seemed to happen in pockets whenever Bradley sat on his punches, and two, Bradley fights his fight, stays active and uses his speed and boxing to offset Marquez and get a UD or SD.

It was a really interesting and entertaining fight, I just wish Juan would have brought more to the table as the aggressor. He's a wonderful counter-puncher and boxer, but he needed to show us that master-class counter-punching tech. Footwork and ranging and feints that would have opened Bradley up more, and made him sit down more. It really seems like the greatest counter-punchers in the history of the game, mixed some pressure, or the threat of pressure, in with their game plan, which made boxing from the outside harder to manage.

I was just really hoping to see more of the nuances of effective counter-punching set ups and traps.

Still a really entertaining fight though, and I really believe it was a close match, but the right man won.

Marquez needs to take this loss graciously and show the boxing public that he's a champion in victory and defeat.

As for Tim, you got yourself a fan. I always liked the guy as a fighter, but I really and starting to respect his discipline and execution. Really fun and energetic fight. Good show.

 

Bit harsh mate

 

I can't agree with this. I think that Marquez has problems with slick, fast boxers. It doesn't have to condemn him to overhyped status. He IS a great fighter in my opinion, just not perfect. He fought a good fight with some questionable strategy choices. He didn't adjust like he should have, but the fight was good. It was certainly not a blow out, and Bradley is a great fighter himself. I don't really see the problem here.

With the exception of how Marquez took the loss, I think the fight was great, and both men put on a great match.

Morales & Barrera overhyped? perhaps in the overall, "best of the best", "greatest fighters who ever lived" sense of the word, but I never hear people say that any of those 3 are "greatest ever" material, but rather great examples of either specific styles, or cultural boxing mentality/ national boxing heritage.

All three were in fact, great fighters and tremendous competitors. Chill, put down the hate cannon...:bart

 

I'll put it in lamest terms and admit I didn't read your post. A real technician employs hit and not be hit. JMM is a get hit to hit fighter. As far as legacy of course JMM is a great fighter. He's elite against other rocket sockem types just like Barrera and Morales. But against any type of boxing employed against them they're not ****. Just calling a spade a spade.

 

****** ear muffs, my hate only stems from a lot of these posters who give these guys way too much credit from what I think is deserved is all. Bradley just got more hate for winning against a guy by out boxing him. Bradley deserves all credit and shouldn't be at blame for criticism that JMM should be receiving for not being the technician people try to make him out to be just because he slid manny whom after watching this fight just got exposed as more as a limited fighter IMHO.

 

Again, you are saying he has a hard time against a style that historically matches up well against his. More over, it dismisses his mastery of his own particular style, and completely ignores the fact that he excels in a style that is counter to the national/cultural/local style that is generally practiced in his country. Very few, if any, fighters excel at all styles. Even less are rated as all time greats. Pound for pound lists, all time great lists, all lists for that matter are a collections of stylists. Boxing stylists, brawler/in-boxing stylists, counter-punchers, and then it breaks down even further in to sub-classes and various mixtures of styles matched with body types and natural ability.

The point I'm making is that he struggles against slick boxers, but ELITE slick boxers. He puts down all others that he has had the chance to fight. More over, the ones he lost to, Floyd and Bradley, are respectively, questionably one of the best that lived, and an Elite level boxer stylist. More over, he didn't get blown out by Bradley, but rather dropped a close match. He hung in there against a style that was tailored to win against him, and did well at 40. All bitching aside, the old man did some goddamn solid work.

You're right, he does put brawlers and in-boxers and boxer-punchers away, as that is what his style excels against. (although I DO think that as a smart Mexican national, it would be wise to counter-punch effectively considering how often you will fight brawlers, it would make your career last longer, case in point.)

I think a better, more detailed look at boxer stylists he's fought, and their overall quality would be a interesting bit of research to engage.

But I agree, Bradley shouldn't be taking any ****. He did great. He fought a really smart fight and looked good doing it against elite level comp. Marquez is no joke, Bradley really put on a great show.

 

Agree with you. Not much I can say to rebuttal this.