RUSADA, the full story...

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The biggest documentary on the subject is out. All the flack the Russians got was deserved and apparently it went high up to Putin. Doping doctors were assassinated, cover ups of cover ups, cloak and dagger ****, FSB plots, etc etc. Holy carp, the scope of this apparatus is freaking insane. It's reported that 99% of Russian athletes at the London 2012 Games were in the "program" which dated back to the mid 60s.

    I'm not sure what this says about Russian boxers but if they were Olympic boxers, they were most likely a part of the apparatus. This makes Lance Armstrong look like the Bush leagues, whom makes IVs and TUEs look like kindergarten.

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    Bryan Fogel, a playwright and an amateur cyclist originally went undercover to prove antidoping was a sham, got connected to a Russian doctor, "Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov, who is the director of Moscow’s anti-doping center."

    "Icarus, initially intended as a Super Size Me–style effort to poke holes in the anti-doping system, ended up capturing the maelstrom of one of the biggest scandals in sporting history, while former anti-doping officials were dying under mysterious circumstances and the IOC was pondering whether Russia should be banned outright from the 2016 Rio Olympics."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/icarus-review-netflix/535962/
     
  2. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bad Bad russians. Only **** comes from the US. If the russians are better than it has to be Doping. Putin is portrayed as the devil. The states are probably the dumbest and Most manipulated civilication ever.

    Lets Talk about Doping in NFL, NBA, american boxing (1970-2000 Steroid use ) and MLB. So get the f Out.

    How can you think proparly with this artificial looking for some one Bad, oh the russians are Bad since the cold war. Lets Tell everyone they are cheating every where.
     
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  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36833962

     
  4. NaiKoN

    NaiKoN M Power! Full Member

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    Rodchenkov would say whatever he wants because he is now working for US. He would even say that Putin personally gave it to all their athletes... There is no evidence of tampering, the one's presented in McLarens report are not valid, moreover after recheking them again they didn't have any signs of tampering that McLaren was talking about.

    That film as well as a McLaren's report is another low level propaganda.
     
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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Look at all these PED apologists, haha!

    No surprise here.
     
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  6. JacobEr

    JacobEr Member Full Member

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    Russians just have to learn how to explain correctly

    All professional athletes use PED.
     
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  7. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    "Russia stole our election."

    "Russians all use PED's"

    "Russia hacked our defense program"

    FFS all day long our filthy news just blames Russia for everything and the cheeseburger gobbling, soda drinking ******s believe every bit of it. U.S./Western media is creating a new boogey man to distract from it own corruption and exploitation of their citizens.

    Just keep eating your GMO's and paying your taxes, anything wrong in your life is because of Russia.
     
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  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol at some of the responses. Yes US and other western countries have athletes that dope and I'm sure they know athletes dope and prefer to ignore it and yes Russia is being made out to be the new big bad or to be accurate the old big bad once again is the new big bad.

    But it doesn't change the fact Russian sports have been doping on a scale that is mind boggling. At least the West pretends to be clean and goes through the motions of keeping the sport clean knowing it will never be, that's better than just giving in and taking the cynical approach of sponsoring it on a state scale, there's a difference.

    Big stars in the US have gotten caught and vilified, like Gatlin and Marion Jones, even in sports where doping control is pathetic like boxing we have had RJJ, Toney caught, Holyfield implicated and close to being caught, then the king of Cycling Lance Armstrong eventually caught doping despite a cover up. It isn't perfect but it's still way, way better than the Russian system.

    But thanks OP have been waiting for this documentary to come out, should be interesting.
     
  9. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly. I don't think they realize how this documentary came about.

    Cliff notes:

    Fogel set out to make a documentary proving that he could take PEDs and beat the tests just like Lance Armstrong did. He would document his process along the way. He would end up meeting some crazy Russian doctor who turned out to be none other than THE head of the Moscow Lab. He would be similar to Travis Tygart, that's how high up he is, ie. there is none higher. Thus Fogel with Deepthroats help, blew the lid on RUSADA. Fogel's little comdeic docudrama turned into something completely different, transforming Fogel from a standup comedian into one the top documentarians in the world.

    I also wonder if they realize that the FSB was offing their own doping officials?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35575774

    There's a reason Rodchenkov sought asylum in the US.
     
  10. TheCimpIsHere

    TheCimpIsHere New Member Full Member

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    Americans made up the rumor about the holes because they kept beating the Americans.
     
  11. NaiKoN

    NaiKoN M Power! Full Member

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    Ask Rodchenkov why he had destroyed blood samples just before he left to USA. Highly shady person that I wouldn't believe. Russians are not clean, but the angle the way it is presented to the public is really annoying. Pure propaganda.
     
  12. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "he got rid of the urine that would have shown traces of steroid use and replaced it with clean urine taken from the athletes months earlier."

    Would urine taken months before be even more contaminated? No Olympian starts training and doping just before the Olympics.
     
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  13. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Old news, and more propaganda that very few intelligent people believe in. It is no different than the Exum Wade conundrum, where American athletes who were doping were protected by the government. In Carl Lewis own words" everyone was doing it."

    But we all already know this. Moving on.

    People on here live in a fictional world where everything is seen through rose colored glasses. I guess you also believe Murica is fighting an honest, benevolent war in the middle east with no self interests right? FOH.

    There were many false things in the report, also the timing of the report coincides with the Annexation of the Crimea, it is all pure rubbish. Were the Russians cheating? Sure, is it as bad as they are making it out to be? NO.
     
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  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They freeze it. In the documentary which is on Netflix, we follow Fogel as he is instructed by Rodchenkov to freeze his urine until needed.
     
  15. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you post this BS conspiracy crap to deflect from the truth you're no better than the *****s.
     
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