Russia and PED's

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BoxingNL, Dec 3, 2014.


  1. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No one is being imprisoned for being hom.ose.xual in Russia. They passed a law banning "hom.ose.xual propaganda to minors", which was basically supposed to signify the government as deeply conservative, and the Western media jumped all over it as proof that "Russia be ebil". The law imposes fines, not imprisonment. And I don't think this law is being enforced in practice either. But now, thanks to the unbiased Western media, the average Western jackass thinks that gays are actually being imprisoned and possibly boiled alive or something.
     
  2. Dos Huevos

    Dos Huevos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unlike in the U.S. where h.o.m.ose.x.u.al propaganda is rammed down childrens throats constantly. That's what happened to nonito smoak.

    They also teach White privledge over year. And people wonder why this place is falling apart.
     
  3. Polish_Glass

    Polish_Glass it breaks Full Member

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    Hi russian cum guzzler.

    Freedom of the press by country:
    1. Finland
    14. Germany
    46. United States
    148. Russian Federation

    Source: http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php

    :hi:
     
  4. GoldenArms

    GoldenArms Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    They've been roiding up since before the Drago era :rasta
     
  5. Dos Huevos

    Dos Huevos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What about all the ones that set up shop over here? Are they getting their stuff from their murican trainers? Lord knows they do not have the money when starting out to have PED gurus oversee their protocols along with a national antidoping agency to cover for them. Yet they perform well and pass screenings.


    When searching for a PED boogeyman look at nations like the U.S. that have the culture and infrastructure in place along with the U.K. who was insignifigant on the World Olympic stage then suddenly becomes a power a few years later.

    Russia is simply an easy target for scmbags with agends, covering their own laundry lists of indescretions.
     
  6. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    The study you mention doesn't actually concern either the accuracy or quality of reporting (if you take a moment to study the methodology) it is also a Western (originally French) based organisation which has recieved numerous plaudits from within Western Europe, the US and countries such has Taiwan.

    I'm not saying it's whether it's right or wrong but you've quoted it a coupla of times like it contributes something to the thread, but contextually it's fairly irrelevent.

    They specifically say that the study is not a reflection of the quality or bias within journalism produced but simply a reflection of the environment and restrictions under which the journalists work.
     
  7. Polish_Glass

    Polish_Glass it breaks Full Member

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    How exactly does that study not concern "the accuracy or quality of reporting" when it says that there is basically no freedom of the press in Russia? It doesn't seem that you know what the freedom of the press means. Also, if you paid attention, you would realize that that study is relevant to the discussion in this thread since there were some Russian posters here claiming that Western media should not be trusted.

    Don't believe that study? There are dozens of other studies and reports out there stating the same thing. For example:
    "Russian TV is dominated by channels that are either run directly by the state or owned by companies with close links to the Kremlin. The government controls Channel One and Russia One - two of the three main federal channels - while state-controlled energy giant Gazprom owns NTV. Critics say independent reporting has suffered as a result."

    In the end, you can keep believing Russian 'news' channels that most Russian athletes are clean and not roided up to the gills, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I reckon that most intelligent people will choose to believe a German news agency over a Russian one, and rightfully so.
     
  8. Dos Huevos

    Dos Huevos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They do brew a mean Trenbolone Acetate 70mg/ml in Russia. Strongest stuff around on a mg/mg basis. Good luck getting that through customs, especially Australia.
     
  9. TheCrazyCal

    TheCrazyCal Baby Faced Hassassin Full Member

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    Most hormones come from China 😉

    Next 20 years will see a Chinese legion of champs all fighting in they're home towns lol
     
  10. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    I didn't say I didn't believe it. I said that it doesn't claim to be a reflection of accuracy or quality of reporting. You seemed to be implying that Russia media were not to be trusted, but that wasn't the message of the article you quoted.

    It's possible, in fact common, for some of the best journalism to come out of countries where the media is subject to heavy overt censorship. I'm not saying that that is necessarily the case in Russia, merely that you couldn't draw that conclusion from the article you stated.

    And merely that the Western media does not consider itself to be subject to high degrees of censorship does not imply that it is somehow unbiased or accurate. The two things are seperate, that is all I was trying to get across.

    Way to go for being nicely patronising when I was just pointing out what any responsible sociologist or social scientist would have pointed out to you from the most preliminary look over the study you were touting.

    In fact it takes moments to follow the funding trail from Journalists Without Borders' major Russian affiliate (the Glastnost Defense Foundation) to a few major US NGOs / QUANGOs.

    I'm not saying I trust Russian (or any other news sources) more than Western ones, but to imagine that any one of them are somehow truly independent or free from bias, self censorship, political agendas (whether overt or not) or financial imperatives is simply naive.
     
  11. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Reporters Without Borders is not a legitimate source, their methodology is baloney. Even so, #148 is still higher than NATO member Turkey.
     
  12. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is nothing independent about the major Western TV channels. Show me a single one that dares to meaningfully criticize US foreign policy. Not on some minor details that don't really matter, but on important aspects. It doesn't happen. They march lockstep with the US government for the most part.

    Earlier this year, CNN, the New York Times, and other major Western media would have had your ****** ass believe that these two people were actually the same person: http://i.imgur.com/4pKYb2j.jpg

    They never issued a real retraction either. They simply parroted the BS that the Ukrainian government put out without doing any critical anаlysis whatsoever. Back in April or thereabouts, the Ukrainian government released some deliberately grainy photos (instead of perfectly clear ones which were available and would have destroyed their whole case) of some guy with a beard in southeast Ukraine and claimed that this was the same Russian soldier from the South Ossetia conflict in 2008. The Western media simply parroted this trash with zero critical anаlysis, even though clear photos readily available at the time showed that this is obviously not the same person. This is just one little example of the standard behavior of the Western media when it comes to supporting US foreign policy bullsh!t.