Ryan García vs Isaac Pitbull Cruz

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Ryan García vs cruz

  1. García K.o

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  2. García u.d

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  3. Cruz K.o

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    31.3%
  4. Cruz U.d

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  1. Juan carlos

    Juan carlos Active Member Full Member

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    Ryan Garcia is a puncher with fast hands ... with a fairly average jaw ... he knows how to use his jab and hit sharp goals.
    pitbull cruz is a peeler with a granite jaw ... his punch is above average ... he is a precision fighter who lands good shots to the body.
    Who do you favor and why?
     
  2. SOUTHERMOST

    SOUTHERMOST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No room for a pretty girl.
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    what evidence have you got that he has an average jaw? where does this narrative come from?
     
  4. Juan carlos

    Juan carlos Active Member Full Member

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    took a luke campbell power hit and got hurt ... i guess that's why
     
  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    so in your opinion, virgil ortiz has an average jaw as well? both got knocked down, both got right back up and took it to their opponent and stopped them. what about loma? him too?
     
  6. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Methinks Cruz KOs Ryan.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It's a really good fight, and my esteem for Ryan (which is already on an upward trajectory after previously thinking him the most unlikeable of the "four kings" and with the least overall upside) would continue to soar if he actually took Cruz on.

    If he put on an impressive and dominant performance, Tank's stock would plummet. And if he gets exposed, well, that's one pretender fewer culled. This is a total win-win. :D
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :nononoYou're misremembering.... even though it seemed like it, Vergil didn't get dropped, he was just badly hurt, but withstood it. That's how damn good his chin is. But I agree, Ryan ate a clean shot that would've most likely KO'd cold many fighters and he hopped right back up from it like nothing happened. I don't think his chin is bad at all. Maybe not titanium, but even if he goes down, he seems to have excellent powers of recovery.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Really? I've always found him the second most likable. Lopez is my favourite of the four, and remains so, but Tank and Haney's personalities (or lack thereof) and out-of-ring activities make them clearly the most unlikable IMO.

    Although I can completely understand a person who detested all four of them.
     
  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    thats true, lol. see what baseless narratives can do. dont know why virgil came to mind, besides the fact that too much was made of the punch, like with loma. and countless others.
    i pointed out before how ryan made a tactical mistake that put him in the perfect position to be hurt much worse than he was. if you watch where hes stepping into lukes power range repeatedly. he should be stepping forward outside of lukes front foot, where lukes power hand doesnt have the angle to catch him without turning himself. ryan is lucky he wasnt hurt worse, even with a great chin. elite fighters dont make such mistakes, but ryan is just developing. just keep an eye on their 2 front feet in relation to lukes left hand, his strong hand. ryan was begging to be put on his ass.
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think it was the whole smarmy West Coast playboy/social media darling/thirst-trapping influencer vibe during his initial rise happening to coincide with all this Logan Paul sideshow crap, I sort of lumped it all together in one bull-seeing-red filter of rage. :sisi1

    In-ring his speed was always undeniable, and his skill has improved as he continues to step up in class and show heart. So yeah, most of my dislike has dissipated...even if some of the jealousy remains that he could probably tweet a vid of himself sharting the alphabet wearing increasingly brown-flecked tighty whities and still have 5 million girls commenting they want to bear his babies. :lol:
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Agree, I remember fretting that was going to happen beforehand, but thankfully he learned from that mistake and made the needed adjustment very quickly. Hopefully he won't put himself in that position agan with future opponents, but that's too much to hope for, because like you said, he's young and still developing. Still even making those kind of mistakes, he's smart and is malleable enough to try a different approach, which is a trait possessed usually only by very good to great fighters.

    Don't feel bad, Drenlou made the same mistake about Vergil a few days ago, and I had to correct him as well. Also, I have a tendency to fixate on narratives and killing them in their crib, especially that one since I'm such an Ortiz fanboy. Also, I use that against Crawford fanboys. Hey... at least Vergil didn't go down like Bud.:sisi1
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This notion that Campbell isn't a puncher is ridiculous

    He's stopped 16 of his 20 wins

    These are the four he didn't stop

    Yvan Mendy has never been stopped in 52 fights
    Algenis Mendez has only been stopped once in 35 fights
    Craig Woodruff has been stopped once in 16 fights
    Chuck Jones has been stopped once in 20 fights

    And the later two were four and six rounders at the start of Campbell's career and Campbell is bigger, stronger, heavier and hitting harder since teaming up with McGuigan because that's something the later specifically started working on when Campbell enlisted his services

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    Reporter: ''Does Campbell punch hard?''

    Loma: ''He punches very hard''



    'I sparred Luke maybe six times''

    ''Luke Campbell ain't no scrub''

    ''He has power in that left hand''

    ''Smart. Very strategic, and he's very technical''

    -- Te0fimo Lopez
     
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