Ryan Garcia vs. Javier Fortuna & Ricardo Rafael Sandoval vs. David Jimenez RBR.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They're both cerebral, Tank might even be more cerebral. It's just Ryan has physical advantages. Height reach. Rolly is a much better fighter than this version of Fortuna. Both Rolly and Fortuna landed some decent shots on Tank / Ryan respectively. Fortuna actually surprised Ryan with some well timed shots, one of them put him off balance. Lets face it, if Rolly fought Fortuna, Rolly would be heavily favored. Ryan is a good fighter, but Tank is more dangerous imho. I doubt Ryan could get tank out of there because Tank has a hell of a chin, but one well timed shot from Tank could put Ryan down and possibly out. Ryan is very capable of outpointing Tank and winning a decision, but Tank has a better chance of hurting or KOing Ryan than Ryan has of hurting or KOing Tank. That's why it's a great fight and needs to happen.

    Also Ryan is easier to hit clean than Tank, particularly to the body. Tank is smaller and compact, and has great defense, it's not gunna be easy for Ryan to land a hard body shot on Tank like he landed on Fortuna tonight that dropped him. He's probably gonna have to head hunt Tank and Tank is a devastating counter puncher. Yes Ryan has the skills to win rounds on Tank, but Tank can hurt Ryan, and I don't see how Ryan could hurt Tank. Even if he lands a couple of clean power shots, I doubt Tank would be affected by them. He's got a hell of a chin.
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I only did it to put your own words into quotation.
     
  3. IsaL

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    I had the Lomachenko-Teofimo fight a draw. Once Lomachenko figured Lopez out it was all Loma in the second half, and I'm certain the rematch would see Loma continue doing what he did the second half.

    It's not uncommon for second tier fighters to beat an A fighter. Mayorga, Maidana, Porter, and many other countless B level fighters are good enough or have the style to beat an A fighter.

    You're probably overeating Kambosos.
     
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  4. CST80

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    Ponce De Leon deserved the win, but it was close, I think I had it 96-94 for Daniel. But Haney definitely struggled with JoJo, at best he beat him 115-113, at worst it was a draw.
     
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    My words were censored with asterisks.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So Haney beat the guy that gave Lomachenko more problems than anyone else at lightweight and drew with him.

    Call him a b level fighter but who else was Haney supposed to fight to become undisputed ? I need answers. Im pretty sure Haney wanted Lomachenko and Lopez but they fought eachother obviously. Saying Haney is a paper champion after undisputed is ridiculous
     
  7. shadow111

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    That's the problem. Ryan is a good fighter but he's vulnerable defensively and Tank can take advantage of that and could hurt him with a well timed shot particularly if Ryan is too aggressive against Tank. Ryan could end up like Rolly did getting countered to hell and dropped.
     
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    Let's not forget, most good scorers on here had Nakatani pulling out a 115-113 win over Fimo as well. Lopez had a terrible night, fought like an overly emotional idiot, and clearly wasn't prepared for what Kambosos was bringing that night, and was incapable of adjusting.
     
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    So he's at 140 permanently now. Who the hell does DAZN/GB have for him to fight at 140? Zorilla.

    Looks like Jojo, Pitbull and Roach Jr are off the table.
     
  10. IsaL

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    Exactly. As much as it was Kambosos who knew how to exploit Lopez, it was Lopez who fought one dimensionally.

    Ryan said it today, if you go into a fight forcing the KO, you're probably not going to get it. That's what Lopez did against Kambosos.
     
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  11. IsaL

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    Haney did not beat Lopez. He beat Kambosos.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    It was a mistype he beat the guy who beat the guy who "drew" with Lomachenko and gave Lomachenko problems. Point still stands
     
  13. shadow111

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    Very true, but on the other side of that, Kambosos fought out of his mind against Lopez, and Kambosos had a terrible night against Haney. Kambosos had a terrible gameplan against Devin, just standing there and getting peppered with jabs all night. I don't know how much better Kambosos could do against Haney in a rematch, but the highly motivted hungry Kambosos who fought Lopez I think would do a lot better. Lets not forget Kambosos while getting outclassed against Haney for most of the fight, did "arguably" drop Haney. That shows that he has the power to catch and time Haney and who knows what would happen if he had a better gameplan. Maybe Haney wouldn't be as focused in a rematch thinking beating Kambosos again would be easy work. You never know how a rematch could play out. I don't see him outboxing Haney because of how good Haney's jab is, but he could certainly do a better job of avoiding getting hit clean with that jab as much as he did. Keep a high guard, give him some head movement, back away at times, try to catch Haney coming in, etc.
     
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  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Nothing i said was wrong. You can deny reality all you like and cope but it doesn't change the facts

    Not Haneys fault Lopez got whooped by Kambosos. Lopez could've made a defense against Haney but cherrypicked Kambosos instead