Ryan Garcia's Shoulder Roll - Analysis

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  1. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    It appears to me, when these new guys attempt the shoulder roll, they have problems switching to offense from that defensive position. Toney and Mayweather mastered that part of it.
     
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  2. sdot_thadon

    sdot_thadon Active Member Full Member

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    Ryan bought his off Wish.
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Yep. You almost never see them catch and counter.
     
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  4. Tikkun

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    Looks a bit leaky to me, but it could just be cherry picked examples. I don't think its the defensive posture for a fighter's whose bread and butter is a counter left hook. He do a variant of it which places for weight on the front foot - but that's not what he's doing and I'm not sure his chin / body type is robust enough to absorb the punishment that usually comes with that pressuring, lead drawing style.
     
  5. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    A front foot shell to set up the left hook? Like a Frazier crab shell?
     
  6. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great work, haven’t seen one of your videos in a while but I appreciate the breakdowns

    I feel given his height he should probably not rely so much on the Philly shell and box more traditionally on the outside behind a jab. I also feel it may be a detriment to utilizing his left hook as an effective counter
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It doesn't really work. That's why most people struggle with it. Toney's shoulder roll did nothing against RJJ. And I suspect that Mosley in his prime would have torn Floyd's shoulder clean off. Actually when an over the hill Mosley rocked him we saw Floyd go to the earmuffs. The stance itself is inherently inferior to the high guard.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's not serious about getting the most out of his potential. It's easier for him to market himself as an IG model who dabbles in boxing. Makes more money that way and doesn't require the sweat equity.
     
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  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don’t disagree. I totally expect him to pack it in against Haney by the mid rounds.
     
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  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thanks. And totally agreed. Floyd can hook out of that stance but never saw Ryan do it.
     
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  11. Flo_Raiden

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    Just as expected Ryan’s shoulder roll was pretty much useless. Not that it matters since he still won the fight regardless but he really could have used more offense instead of doing that shoulder roll thing whenever he tried covering up from Haney. He’s really not good with it during those moments when he attempts it. Stick with your own style.
     
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  12. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this "shoulder roll" invited Haney to be agressive, it worked, lol
     
  13. Mark Anthony

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    Haney said he was going to come at Garcia in the pre fight presser, he also landed rabbit punches while Garcia was turned into his shoulder roll.
     
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  14. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are spot on with "booty roll" and Haney couldnt withstand the desire to tap dat booty. We already knew his hugging is very suspicious, but now after "booty roll" bait and pics with him taking bath with p diddy, we know he is a true booty warrior.
     
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  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Yup. At least this time the ref let Haney attack the body. Not that it helped much in the end.