S.I. (1955) -- Was Jack Johnson greatest heavyweight?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Do you even proof read. It says Phillips
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    saw the fight. Since when does Allegelly = the truth :) Come on! Also, the book was written 50 years after the fight!
     
  2. mcvey

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    Phillips told his account of the fight a couple of years after it happened. Don Buchan confirmed it ,there are numerous ringside reports of the fight that confirm Langford was down twice for long nine counts ,and also that Johnson was not floored.These include Senya's contribution posted here .

    Unlike yourself, Senya is always ready to back up his posts with primary sourced reports there are also several accounts in Pollack's book on Johnson which corroborate Phillips account.

    Of course if you want to pretend to yourself it didn't happen and that Langford dropped Johnson go right ahead .

    It isn't like you have any credibility to lose on the subject.:lol:
     
  3. JOE JENNETTE

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  5. mcvey

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    Thanks very much for kindly providing the links, very enjoyable.Could you provide the source for the quote from A D Phillips please?
    Since Jeannette only beat Johnson once ,and that on a disputed foul I find it nonsensical to pick Joe over Jack.
     
  6. mcvey

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    You giving lessons on reading is quite funny when you can't even spell.

    ALLEGELLY?????:lol:


    Here are two primary sourced accounts of the Johnson v Langford fight , kindly provided by Senya.

    http://senya13.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/1906-04-26-jack-johnson-w-pts15-sam.html
     
  7. Mendoza

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    When one thinks the word allegedly means fact, his comments should be dismissed.:hi:

    If you read older fight reports, you will note that some of them, even primary sources can miss describing knockdowns that happened.

    I'm not saying a knockdown did or not happen. I am saying others claimed it did happen. Nat didn't always research what he wrote.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Next day papers all corroborate Johnson dropping Langford THREE TIMES twice from good punches,the other I gave Langford the benefit of the doubt with because it was decribed as not much of a punch.
    NO PAPERS SAID LANGFORD DROPPED JOHNSON.

    You go on, happy in your little world of hate.
    Who gives a **** what you think on the subject anyway?
     
  9. KuRuPT

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    Expand on this big McGrain... Why do you have Wills ahead of Johnson ?
     
  10. Rico Spadafora

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    Wills? :lol::rofl:patsch

    He doesn't rate above any of Dempsey, Johnson, or Jeffries. The guy is a myth.
     
  11. KuRuPT

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    He's not a myth.. but he certainly shouldn't be ranked ahead of Johnson that's for sure. His best wins were over a past his best Sam.. who also beat him. No way that's good enough to move past Johnson or even Jeffries, Sullivan or Fitz
     
  12. janitor

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  13. mcvey

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    I don't see Wills beating any of those three.Jeffries would walk through him,Sullivan would ko him ,and Fitz would break his ribs. I have a feeling Wills did not have the biggest ticker, just a feeling.
     
  14. Boilermaker

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    NOt sure what is meant by "top" of the division, but clearly it should be changed to read Dempsey.

    Wills was the second highest paid fighter of his era and the second best fighter of his era. IN many ways, he was the equivalent of Vitali Klitchsko.
     
  15. janitor

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    Basicaly, yes.

    One hypothetical scenario, is that Dempsey simply anihilates him, as he did so many.