Saúl Álvarez vs JERMELL Charlo - September 30 // MGM Grand Arena

It's always been the case. You do everything you can to tear Canelo down pre fight.

 

Yet for some reason I get accused of overhyping Canelo. I mean I definitely rate Canelo as a great fighter but I also recognize his limitations. The thing about Canelo is that he fights high level competition, so even as great as he is, you know it's not gonna be a walk in the park for him, especially with his stamina issues and the fact that he's got a lot of miles on his boxing career. The difference in this fight is that, while we both rate Canelo, you don't seem to rate Charlo at all, whereas I've been paying attention to him for some time and I know how good he is. He's Undisputed for a reason.

For you to expect an Undisputed Champion to be KO'd in the 1st round, that's crazy. I mean I could see him being caught with a late stoppage but Canelo is notoriously a slow starter. I know you said unless Canelo's carries him, that gives you an out if it goes long to say "Canelo just carried him" but that's just how Canelo fights. I mean you could say that Canelo "carried" Ryder to the finish line, could have got him out of there earlier if he really pressed the action after he hurt him and knocked him down. You could argue Canelo "carried" Plant too, Canelo doesn't typically push the pace early in the fight. And especially when there's this much respect for Jermell Charlo and the fact that he knows Jermell packs a punch Canelo is probably going to be super cautious early.

But for you to say you expect a 1st round KO, that's a bold statement but he has been known to "carry" fighters, i.e. be patient early then up the pressure in the mid rounds. But if he can't get him outta in the mid rounds and he's in a dogfight (which could be the case against Jermell) then it's possible he gasses and is then unable to stop him late. The way I see it, this fight could go a lot of different ways which makes it exciting. I think you're just selling the fight short by claiming he could easily stop him in the 1st round. Jermell is much better than you're giving him credit for and I expect him to show just how good he is on Sept 30th. But we'll see.

 

OK but the Loma Haney comparison doesn't really apply since Loma was at a significant reach disadvantage as the smaller guy while the opposite is true for Jermell against Canelo. The difference in reach is far less than it was for Loma vs Haney, but still significant in the other direction. But you do recognize that they both matchup well physically. A lot of posters on here are no selling this matchup. Don't you find that a bit much? Would you agree that this is an interesting matchup? Are you looking forward to it?

 

I don't need an out, I'm not that invested as I see the fight as a mismatch. I win either way. If it's boring I don't care cos I've skipped it, if it's a good fight I'll watch it after the fact. I can't lose here.

I rate Canelo as levels above Charlo. It's just a shame that the other p4p guys are pushing themselves and fighting the best in their division or the division above and Canelo is dragging a guy up from 2 divisions lower.

I rate Canelo much to high to accept this fight as worthy of him.

 

You'll lose if it's even remotely competitive, as you're expecting a complete mismatch. If Jermell wins rounds, goes the distance, or wins you'll look like an idiot in predicting a 1st round KO.

Canelo just took on one of the best at 168 in John Ryder who was the WBO mandatory after winning an eliminator against previously unbeaten Zach Parker. Last year Canelo took on the best in the division above in Bivol. So Canelo has done what you're asking for. The difference is that other P4P fighters only fight once a year, so in addition to fighting one of the best at 168 (Ryder) and the best at 175 (Bivol) last year, he also managed to fight GGG who was a unified Champion at 160 and is now fighting the Undisputed Champion at 154.

Of course we want P4P fighters to challenge themselves against the best possible opponents. The fact is that Jermell Charlo is higher rated P4P than anyone in Canelo's division at this point. So Canelo's fighting the highest P4P fighter he could possibly fight right now. Canelo has been pushing himself far more than other P4P fighters. He's fighting far more often and taking consistently bigger risks than anyone else.

 

I don't care if I look like an idiot, I'm not emotionally invested and I'll happily look like an idiot if it means I watch a fight that was entertaining.
But chances are Canelo bombs him out in 1.

Nah if you look at the most recent fights. Usyk has beaten AJ, Inoue beaten Fulton and Crawford beaten Spence.

Canelo has beaten Ryder and is due to fight Charlo. Disappointed big time.

 

Gotta love it when people try to use the absolute BEST boxers, or actual ATG's as their examples. Because if ATG's can do it, surely ANY boxer, even one with a garbage resume, can do it.

 

Broner is an ATG? You want a list of bums beating other bums? What do you want bro?

And for the most part those guys were not only heavily outweighed, they were also outsized in every category. Which isn’t even the case here with Jermell vs Canelo.

 

The Real Lance. If you want to say you don’t think Jermell is good enough to beat Canelo, just say Jermell is not good enough to beat Canelo. Bums don’t have these feats and that’s why they’re “bums”, but Charlo is a champion at least.

 

So that's one. Oohh... you got me there!

Moving up from smaller classes isn't as difficult as it is jumping weight in the higher divisions. Especially 160 to 168. That has always been a tough jump. For the most part, you are moving into weight class against guys with naturally larger frames. Guys who will likely be at 175 as well in the future. Canelo's already fought at 175 and held a title.

You all need to give it a rest that Jermell is bigger or equal in size to canelo.

 

Who the f*ck is calling Jermell a bum?? I sure as hell aren't. Look, there's weight classes for a reason. Don't know how much more clear I can be. It would be one thing if Jermell v canelo took place AFTER Jermell had at least fought at 160. But it's a JrMW moving to SprMW.

The hell happen to this board??? Wasn't all that long ago most posters hated catchweight fights. And hated matchups between guys separated by too much weight. Now fanboys rule the roost and don't give a damn about anything but their fave and his pocket book... WTF...

 

I still don't like this fight for Canelo because of the weight jump, but I want to see him in there with this type of fighter and he is the better of the twins as it is. Also it should silence the he doesn't fight black fighters crowd. I feel like he should win it going away but I'm not ready to rule out a big night from Charlo either, especially seeing what just happened a couple of weeks back. If Charlo dominates him everything goes out the window lol.

 

I’ll say what i want. I’ve boxed before, I’ve sparred hard as a 150lb’er vs Heavyweights, and I know it’s not as simple as this guy is coming from this weight class thus he is smaller than this guy. That’s casual talk. Like saying Canelo’s fought at 175 or 175lb’ers, that means he’s that big or something. Casual talk. A smaller fighter can beat a bigger fighter on skills. Canelo spars heavyweights too, does that make him bigger? How many 100-200lbs heavier guys did Fitzsimmons KO? Charley Burley Ko’d some 220lbs guy as a 150lb’er. Charlo could go up without gaining any weight (for those worried about him slowing down due to the weight gain), and he wont be more than 10lbs smaller than Canelo.

So the there wont be some grand weight disparity, Charlo is much longer, and he doesn’t get dwarfed by Canelo’s thick head, hands and bones. But Canelo’s much bigger, this and that? Only thing keeping Charlo from winning this, is his skills, that’s the bottom line. He’s not fighting Jose Benavidez at 168.

Professionals have already stated the weight wont be the issue for Jermell, he’s that big. But carry on, you have your agenda I can see, you don’t like Canelo, for whatever reason.