Saad v Corbett 15rds?

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  1. Mendoza

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    Didn't one of Corbett's KO victims knock out Jack Johnson? You don't know the weight of all Corbett opponents, so its disingenuous to assume only two of his wins were over 175 pounds.

    Jackson, for example, was well over that weight. He was offered the fight for the title. The champion picks the venue. I've never heard of a fighter assaulted because he fought in the South. No way would it happen, not with the money involved.

    Now hurry up and make a Corbett vs. Mike Spinks if you haven't done so already and get help during the process.
     
  2. mcvey

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    News Flash Corbett did not beat Jackson.If you think Corbett fought others over 175lbs the burden of proof is on you to prove it, not me to disprove it!
    Jackson did not think he would get a fair shake in the South.
    Corbett said he was prepared to defend against Jackson only when Jackson had left the US.
     
  3. janitor

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    However you try to spin it, he was the best fighter in the world over 175lbs, at some point.

    He beat the lineal champion at that weight.

    He drew against the man who was probably the best heavyweight in the word at that weight.

    He took the two subsequent champions at that weight to the brink of disaster.

    I am not a fan of bigging up men whose resume rest upon draws, or valiant losing efforts, but I will take those results over nothing.

    I think that some revision of Corbett's historical standing was overdue (his standing as shown in the IBRO polls), but it should never have gone as far as matching him against guys like Foster, Saad, Froch or Canello!
     
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  4. mcvey

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    I'm not trying to spin anything ,I simply replied to your statement below.

    "He should be the automatic favorite over anybody who does not have a good win above 175lbs.!"
    When I pointed out Corbett's only known wins over men over that poundage were a washed up Sullivan and a 6 rounder over Kilrain and asked you to provide others you failed to do so twice.
    Corbett beat the lineal champion who had not fought for nearly 5 years and was an alcoholic.

    I'll also point out that
    You've no choice but to include draws because Corbett does not have the required wins to meet the criteria and we both know it!
    1. A 178lbs Sharkey beat Corbett up and was robbed of a stoppage win when Corbett's second entered the ring causing him to lose by a dsq.
    2.A 177lbs Sharkey held him to a draw.
    3.. A 157lbs Fitz ko'd Corbett.
    4.Corbett successfully defended his title once in 5 years, his opponent weighed 165lbs.
    So why a lhvy champion ,and one of the best of them should automatically be the long shot against Corbett escapes me.
    I reserve the right to make what threads I wish and to match whom I wish in them ,just as anyone disagreeing with me can exercise their right of not participating in those threads. I don't need your permission to make them and as far as I'm aware ,there is nothing provocative or disrespectful in matching a light heavyweight champion against a heavyweight champion,particularly when the weight differential between them is around 10pounds.
     
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  5. janitor

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    You are, because you are acting as if a win over a washed up heavyweight champion, and a draw against the best heavyweight in the world, are equivalent to no fights at heavyweight.

    This is clearly ridiculous.
    The two examples that you have provided there, are obviously a lot better than nothing!
    You don't know what these men weighed, and neither does anybody else.
    Corbett is a former heavyweight champion, who you would expect to be matched against other men who fought at heavyweight, with the odd exception.

    There is perhaps a creeping agenda to make out that he was never a heavyweight, even by the standards of his own day.
     
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  6. Bukkake

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    Forget about what they may or may not do in the future - would you favour Corbett to beat those 3, as they are NOW?
     
  7. janitor

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    I probably would, if the fights were going to happen tomorrow, but it would not be a comfortable pick.

    I had Dubois and Hrgovic down as future champions, very early in their professional careers, and I can see a high ceiling for them if certain things check out!
     
  8. Bukkake

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    I'm pretty excited about the Dubois-Joyce clash next month. If Dubois comes through in fine style, there's no telling how far he can go!
     
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  9. mcvey

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    I do know what Sharkey and Fitz weighed when they fought Corbett and I know what Mitchell weighed when Corbett beat him in his only successful defence in 5 years.
    I've Sharkey's biography on my desk right now,don't assume because you don't know something that applies to others.

    You've got your knickers in a twist because you cannot provide any further examples of Corbett beating what we understand as a heavyweight, ie over 175lbs.
    Well sorry about that but you made statement and got called on it!
    Corbett was the heavyweight champion of the world for 5 years, he made 1 successful defence of his title against a man165lbs, and was then knocked out by a middleweight.
    Those are the facts,and if they get up your nose use your handkerchief, there's no call on your part for veiled allusions of spin or agenda.
    If anyone is now looking ridiculous, it's you my friend.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    No no, its your claim, you back it up. You been wrong so many times, one more isn't going to change your rep.

    Wrong, Corbett and Jackson meet in a hotel to discuss terms. The offer was on the table, Jackson declined. He could have called it, but didn't.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    There is good stuff on both in the general forum. I don't see Dubois becoming a champion, He's much smaller than listed ( see him next to Joyce ) , and IMO will have shaky chin.
     
  12. janitor

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    With respect, there are multiple reported weights for all of these fights.

    How can you possibly claim to know?
    Call it that if you want.

    I think that the reassessment of Corbett has gone too far, and I am making that known!
     
  13. Bukkake

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    How do you know, Dubois has a chin problem?

    Here we have Dubois and Joyce standing face to face. Seems to me, that Dubois doesn't look that much smaller than Joyce. Maybe an inch or two (at most):

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  14. mcvey

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    Box Rec has the weights I have, you'd accept them without question in any other situation .Produce these mutiple recorded weights and we can debate them!
    My argument with you is your statement that Corbett should be an automatic favourite over anyone who doesnt have a win over a man weighing more than175pounds.When I pointed out Corbetts only 2 you were reduced to they are better than nothing.You'd be a sight more credible if you could bring yourself to admit they are pretty poor!
     
  15. mcvey

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    Be silent, the grown ups are talking!

    Jackson fought twenty-eight of the best men of England and America between 1888 and 1892, losing to none. The nearest he came to defeat was an eight-round draw in Melbourne on 21 October 1890 against Joe Goddard—he was undertrained and on a lightning visit to his adopted country, where he was fêted and accepted as an Australian. His most memorable fights were the 61-round, four-hour draw with James J. Corbett on 21 May 1891 at San Francisco and the hectic ten-round victory over fellow Australian Frank Slavin on 30 May 1892 in London. Jackson was one of the finest boxers never to fight for a world championship: John Sullivan refused to defend his title against a Black and Corbett avoided Jackson once he gained the heavyweight crown in 1892.
     
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