Sadlder vs Sanchez?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Danny, Nov 29, 2007.


  1. Danny

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    Saddler's strengths
    Tall, strong, solid chinned & a big puncher (103 KO's in 162 bouts) is a great feat. Defeated Willie Pep in what was Saddler's 94th fight for the FW title, but outpointed in the return.

    Captured SFW title, made two defenses & then regained the FW crown by stopping Pep in eight. Held title for six years & retired as champ.

    Saddler's weakensses
    Was not particularly elusive or clever, had trouble with speed, skill as Pep demonstrated. Was jknown as a dirty fighter & this wasn't just a rumour. A lot of his wins were aided by fouls. He lost 16 bouts, including 10 defeats during his championship tenure.

    Sanchez' strengths
    A quick, skillful boxer-fighter, who specialized in hard, crisp, shapr counter-punching. Scored 32 KO's from 46 bouts. Had a solid chin & always seemed calm & assured of himself even when under intense attack from opponents. Broke down many a fighter such as Danny Lopez in 13 to lift WBC FW title, which he defended nine times. TKO'd Wilfredo Gomez in eight, outpointed Juan Laporte & stopped Azumah Nelson.

    Sanchez' weaknesses
    Ws somewhat vulnerable to cleverness, power & speed. Was pushed all the way by clever Patrick Ford. Then, then jab & move approach of Pat Cowdell gave Sanchez trouble, taking it to the wire. Nelson gave Sanches a run for his money, only succumbing to the precision of Salvador's punches in the fourteenth.

    Outcome
    The opening rounds belong to Sanchez, who takes advantages of wholes in Saddler's defense. However, Saddler starts to come on strong, pushing Sanchez back, but is warned & has a point deducted for fouls.

    As they come out for the thriteenth, Sanchez calm manner & seemingly neverouslous self begin enable him to land the precise counter shots he established in the first few rounds. Saddler's defense is more leaky now than in any part of the fight. Saddler is in big trouble & unsteady from the accurate punches from Sanchez. A lead right from Sanchez has Saddler reeling, prompting the referee to call a halt.

    Sanchez by TKO 14.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Saddler dominated Pep, who is the empitomy of "speed and skill". I do not agree with you that Saddler struggled with these two attributes (more than is normal) in fact his relentless aggression probably made him a safer bet against these two attributes than, for example, great power or strength.

    Saddler dominates from the opening bell, shipping only a couple of rounds, and stops a brave Sanchez in 10.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Sanchez wins. I'll go into more detail later.
     
  4. Manassa

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    Forgot about this.

    Well, Sanchez wins this, and decisively so. It's competitive, definitely - Saddler could inflict a horrific amount of punishment on anybody - but it comes down to style intricacies. Some points to consider before we get onto styles:

    - Sanchez' strength; he was rarely overpowered. Infact, he often forced back the stronger fighter and outfought him at close range.

    - Sanchez' stamina. Fighters this well conditioned are rare.

    - Sanchez' durability! He took a terrific shot and was nearly always balanced.

    Now...

    Willie Pep is the most obvious comparison when looking at Saddler's opposition. Pep definitely came off worse, but was he as suited to beating Saddler as Sanchez was? I don't think so. Pep was smaller and weaker; he didn't have that fortitude, or at least not at that point in his career, well after he'd broken his back. Against Saddler, Pep always seemed fragile; I bet his supporters cringed every time he was backed into the ropes. That's where Saddler was doing most of the damage. Sanchez, however, wouldn't be lost when trapped - he even had a knack of spinning off the ropes or not even getting caught at all. Even if he did get a bit suffocated, I'm sure he'd give at least nearly as good as he'd be taking.

    I found Saddler to be quite an open book. He was a decent boxer, but his greatness was all about his physicalities rather than his mental skill - strength, punching power, stamina, durability and aggression are attributes Saddler possessed in spades. Sanchez, unlike Pep, would come much closer to matching him in these departments.
    When I said Saddler was an open book, I meant his defence was leaky; straight punches were his nightmare, and it wasn't that hard to find him; it's lucky Saddler had a jaw of cement because otherwise I'm sure he'd have found himself stopped a few times. Sanchez was a brilliant straight puncher - his jab might even have been the best of the featherweight division, ever, and his punches certainly packed more wallop than Pep's - especially a Pep who was fighting on a fast retreat and had neither the time nor resiliency to stand a fire back with genuine conviction like Sanchez would.

    Essentially, I think Saddler would find himself unable to treat Sanchez' punches with such disdain. And on the other hand, Sanchez would be able to take Saddler's punches and deal with his strength far better than Pep ever did. Against Pep, Saddler only really had to think about how to catch him; with Sanchez, he's got a lot more to deal with. This means Saddler won't necessarily fight as aggressively and relentlessly as he did in the Pep footage. This leads to him dishing out less damage, and that's why I don't think he's stopping Sanchez. And if he doesn't stop Sanchez, he doesn't beat him, since the superior skills definitely belong to the Mexican.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Very plausible scenario,but I still go with Sandy ,,Sanchez had a couple of close fights ,I think he should have dominated ,I see Saddler as too physical for him.
     
  6. Manassa

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    Every great had close fights, some of them even lost ones they shouldn't have - at the end of the day, what separates great fighters from good fighters is that great fighters can fight at a higher level - when they need to.
     
  7. brooklyn1550

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  8. mcvey

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    Great fighters dont go close with Pat Cowdell.
    Actually I think Sanchez ,s legend has grown with his untimely death,rather like James Dean ,and Marilyn Monroe,can we be sure he was even the best Feather of his time?
     
  9. Manassa

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    Is it okay for great fighters to lose to Chico Rosa?
     
  10. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    saddler lost to many c level fighters, he gets overrated h2h.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Yes if you stop the greatest featherweight ever in 4 rounds ,4 fights later ,and stop a tough lightweight like Terry Young later the same year.
     
  12. BUDW

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    If the ref kept the fight clean Sanchez win tough UD
     
  13. Jbuz

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    I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. You can't have a go at Sanchez for beating Cowdell in a close fight, but then justify a loss to Chico Rosa just because he beat Pep a few fights later.

    But anyway, Sanchez demolished Wilfredo Gomez a few months earlier, and then Nelson a few months later.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    A few points.

    Sanchez beat Cowdell. Sometimes great fighters aren't up for a seemingly lesser opponent, or have stylistic tests from time to time. Ali - Norton, Holmes - Witherspoon/Weaver, Spinks - Eddie Davis etc. The better the opponent usually the better Sanchez fought.

    Saddler and Pep didn't only have one fight. Pep had one convincing win.

    Saddler wasn't the best Feather of his time.

    Great fight this one, two of the greatest feathers of all time.
     
  15. mcvey

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    .Dont be sorry,Sanchez best wins are lopez twice a terrific hitter with poor boxing ability and little defence,Laporte a durable good fighter who lost to the best,Gomez who was coming up in weight ,and a green Nelson who gave hjim a great fight until going down to defeat in the 15th.Saddler beat Pep ,Brown ,Terranova,Zuleata,Young,Dade,,Demarco, and drew with Carter,when he retired ,he,d had 163 fights and scored 100 kos,and he fought all over. He beats Sanchez,and so does Pedroza!