Sadly a 154 Pounder is Pavliks 2nd Biggest Challenge Yet

Pavlik has fought mediocre opposition. I'm a JT fan, but his stamina is s*&t. He could have beaten Pavlik in Both fights had he not gassed. Other than that, Hopkins is the only name on Pavlik's resume, and we all know what happened there. And I'm saying this as a Pavlik fan. The guy gives his all, trains like crazy, is fun to watch, seems like a good dude. But he hasn't fought many good fighters. And it's not his fault. The MW division is the pits. But the truth is the truth. Martinez is a big step up in class, albeit a 154lb step up from most of Pavlik's opponents.

 

Pavliks resume isnt great but to say Martinez is his 2nd biggest challenge is a nit unfair.
1.)When Pavlik fought Miranda, Miranda was picked to win in Boxing News and considered unlucky by some to have lost to AA when having many points deducted.
2.)When Pavlik fought Taylor for the title Taylor was undefeated with wins over Hopkins (twice), Spinks and a draw with Wright.
3.)2nd time Pavlik fought Taylor, it was Taylor trying to avenge his then only defeat and it was at SMW to suit Taylor.
4.)Pavlik went up to LHW to fight Hopkins in a losing effort, (wide UD loss) when Hopkins had only lost his LHW Ring belt in his fight before and was still considered #1 Ring LHW under the then Ring champ Calzaghe.

Id consider Martinez his 5th biggest challenge (but thats only my opinion)

 

you know what im an emotional boxing fan its all heart to me , cant help it, i respect that you only care about skill level , boxing is a sport to each his own , so we will agree to disagree , duece

 

So since you're not basing any of this off of hype, only physical attributes, you're saying that you've extensively watched all of Pavlik's opponents, not just in the fights with Pavlik? Espino and Lockett for example, you've seen them fight a handful of times? And the ten or twenty guys he fought before he came into the public eye? You watched them all fight? Several times?

I get what you're saying about not basing it exclusively on hype, but in the absence of seeing every single Jermain Taylor fight from the time he was in the amateurs, I think we can create an opinion of him based on the ten or fifteen fights of his we've seen, combined with who he beat and for what belts.

And that's a guy I've seen fight a bunch. I don't know if Nelson Hernandez is good, I've never seen him fight, have you? I'll bet he's not though, based on his 2-55 record.

 

And this man, you really need to stop with that. Anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? Based on your post history I don't hold your opinion of boxers in very high regard, but it's still your opinion and you're welcome to it, as little as I may think of it. This is a forum it's for sharing ideas.

 

Really? In watching one Paul Williams fight I could easily get the idea that he's an electric puncher, a devastating KO artist and just an all around monster.

Of course if I watched the other time he fought Quintana, I wouldn't have those opinions.

I could not disagree more with you that you only need to watch a fighter fight one time to create an educated opinion on him. It's borderline absurd.

 

So I guess it was sad that De La Hoya fought Mayweather.

 

Honestly I dunno why you all are still fueling this guys bull**** fire. :huh

I mean whatever anyone posts thats legit he's gonna just put up another post trying to discredit everything you just said, and call everyone that doesnt agree stupid.

 

yeah you're right, I guess I've said my piece.

 

are you some kind of subjective encyclopedia??? atsch