I was just looking at this video posted in this forum of Erik Morales weighin against Manny Pacquiao, and I thought to myself, WTF???? Morales looks like a prisoner from a concentration camp in that weighin.atsch:-( My question is, why does boxing allow this? Is there not a way for boxing commisions to administer a test to the fighter the morning of the weighin to ensure that they are at a certain level of hydration. I'm telling you guys, I got angry seeing this video. That Morales went on to fight Pacquiao the next day, when he should have been taken straight to the hospital to be hooked up to IV's.....:-( Boxing's higher up's in these commisions are always spewing crap about wanting to ensure the safety of fighters, and yet they allow a completely bone dry Morales to climb a ring with Manny Pacquiao? What do you all think? Is'nt it about time that boxing tests boxers the afternoon of the weighin to see if they are within the zone for safety for hydration??? I'm sick of this..... I say make the official weighin on the morning of the fight, and test the fighters right before the weighin to see if that they fall within reasonable means of hydration. Here is the sad video of the weighin I talk about. It just made me sick to my stomach! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysiGSBflIo[/ame]
Enzo, I'd really appreciate if this thread is taken seriously. I've seen other fighters look bad during weighin's but you cant sit there and tell me that the look of Morales' physique and the guantness in his face is'nt just dangerously ridiculous. Morales is a non-factor now, but I believe boxing should step in and save fighters from climbing a ring when they are in the condition that Morales looks in that tape.
It is not uncommon for boxers to have "walk around" weights that are much higher than their fighting weights. As I understand things drastict weight change in a short period of time is unhealthy. While it might not show up right away and the boxer might look great. He could be doing long term damage to his body. This damage might not show up intell after his career. However it could show up during a career. There is no international boxing commision to enforce any rule. If there was one of the rules should be that if a boxer campagans at a certan weight than his weight must be in a certan range even when he is not fighting. It is imposible to keep track of every boxer at all times. Either random weight checks are needed or when a fight is sgined the boxers must allready be in a weight range. I think this is a problem without an easy or convent fix.
Snakeface, delete this post please......it has nothing to do with this particular thread where I want us to discuss weighin's, hydration, and what can be done to ensure the fighters are not weighing in at a dangerous level of dehydration.
The problem of course with what I'm suggesting of the fighters falling within a specified range of hydration is that if they dont, then the fight has to be cancelled and the whole promotion goes to the toilet losing money. .....but I'd rather have this happen then a fighter dieing in the ring because he wa'snt hydrated properly. There are also things that the promoter himself can do to ensure that his main event fighters are on target with both hydration and their weight in the weeks leading to the fight......... .....if they are on top of that, they can ensure and decrease the possibilty of one of their big fights being cancelled due to the fighter not being hydrated. Something needs to be done, because I'm telling you, that video of a completely gaunt and sickly looking Morales is grounds enough alone for a lawsuit against the commision had Morales been seriously and permanently injured in that Pacquiao fight.
Considering the average human body can cut 8-10lbs of water easily. 10lbs give or take should be the cut off for cutting weight in boxing.
I hate the practice of dehydrating to artificially lower a fighter's weight in order to make a limit. It's unhealthy and frankly counterproductive. Look how much better Pacquiao himself is able to perform now that he doesn't have to drain anymore. That in itself should be an indication to all fighters that they're doing it wrong. They're trying to gain a size "advantage" but in turn put themselves at a strength, stamina, and punch resistance disadvantage. The problem is, though, that they haven't figured it out yet. Conventional logic follows the old boxing adage that "a good big man beats a good little man" - that's only true if they're both optimal. They used to do same day weigh-ins, and for a while, fighters were actually fighting at that weight. But some shmuck realized he could dehydrate himself for the weigh-in then rehydrate afterwards and be way bigger than his opponent during the fight. Then they all started doing it, even with weigh-ins on the same day as the fight! This was obviously even more unhealthy than doing it with a day to rehydrate, so the boxing commissions' felt their hand was forced and pushed the weigh-in to the day before in order to give fighters a chance to reasonably rehydrate and be somewhat healthy in the ring. If they did weigh-ins 1 or 2 hours before the fight, that would probably keep people from killing themselves (literally) to artificially make a weight limit. But I'm not sure how that would work out logistically with everything else going on pre-fight, and then if a guy was a bit heavy he wouldn't have time to hit the sauna and fights would end up being cancelled.
I've been an advocate of same day weigh in for a while. Billy"Duddy Killer" Lyell is a local. He said in an interview he doesn't cut because it affects his performance. He beat Duddy when they were still trying to drain him to 154. This was a catch weight fight that he missed weight by a pound. I'm sure that had something to do with Duddy's performance. That said, New Jersey does have some limits in place. It's been a while since I read the rules, but for championship fights you have to be weighed like 30 days in advance and be withing x% and then there is a rehydration limit. I don't know the exact numbers anymore. Like drug testing, there needs to be one national set of rules.