Safety,Commisions, weighin's, hydration??

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by divac, Mar 18, 2010.


  1. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    it's the boxer's (Morales) fault for agreeing to fight at that weight (feather) considering his walkaround weight is at middleweight. We cannot blame him for that because it's that weight he excels most. and due to this dehydration-rehydration regimen, it took a heavy toll on their body, making them like a zombie (pac-morales 3).his speed and agility diminishes as he fights at higher division (Morales-diaz).

    In the case of pacquiao, he fought as pro at 106, and he was just a teenager. he jumps weight from 106-130 because of difficulty in catching at the required weight (his loss to singsurat). He now fights at WW, wherein his optimal fighting weight is at light welter-welter at the age of 32.

    Floyd also fought at 106 during his amateur days, when he was also a teenager. his heaviest fighting weight was at Light Middleweight (Floyd-delaHoya). Pacquiao and Mayweather are now fighting at welter, their most comfortable weight at this point.
     
  2. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is unhealthy
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do you have any pictures of Pac's previous weighin to that against MAB???

    There is no question that Pac went through a dehydration process for that fight, he weighed 144 lbs by fight time......but so did JMM who stepped in the ring at 141 lbs.
    ....they both went through a dehydration process, Pac a little more than Marquez.

    ......but I'll say this for sure.....Pac looks healthy in that picture if you want to compare it to how Morales looked in that video.
    The look on Morales' physique and face was outright ridiculous, one in which a doctor should have stepped in and said, "I'm not letting this man go through with the fight, he's not fit to fight."
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    There is'nt much difference in the way Pac looks as far as dehydration is concerned between his fight with MAB and then with JMM a few months later.......

    In fact, he looks better trained and physically stronger for the JMM fight.

    The picture you showed boxbox from the angle gives the impression that Pac is more drained than he looks.....but he looks fine in these photos I put up.

    There is no comparison what so ever with these shots and the video of a ridiculously bone dry Morales.
    No comparison at all.
     
  5. Jetmax

    Jetmax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look at Pac's head. He must already be roiding long before this fight.
     
  6. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    i think the reform already made was to ban same-day weigh in and allow the fighters 24 hrs to rehydrate themselves to avoid serious injuries in fighting. But yes, certain limits of draining should be controlled by the commission. there are plenty of fights that shouldn't have happened

    Corrales shouldn't have been allowed to fight Mayweather when he was draining, Morales to pacman, Pacman shouldn't have been allowed also to fight marquez as he was severely weight drained, etc etc
     
  7. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    pictures and angles of photos can be tricky. there are a lot of photos that can show how gaunt pacquiao was for that fight. it was documented how hard pacquiao tried to make weight. Yes the commission should control these types of draining
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its possible Pacquiao struggled a bit to make the weight, but the irony of it is that Marquez actually gave Pac the choice to have the fight at 135 lbs if that was what he wished........Pac chose 130 lbs, point blank.

    Morales did not have that choice if he wanted the Pac fight.
    Had Morales had the choice, he'd most definitely would have chosen 135 lbs.

    Pac had his choice in weight, Morales did'nt, thats something that cannot be refuted.
     
  9. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Divac... I know you will love this but this is what Erik said about making weight for the fight and about Pac in general. the pertinent part is near the end. Erik pretty much states he struggled to make weight for the third fight.

    He said this in an interview in Mexico.

    Erik was asked about Manny this week.

    You are unique as you are the only person that has defeated Manny Pacquiao in his last 13 fights, combined to the fact that he was ko'd as fly weight , you, that felt his power and his best punches, what you think of him now when beats ex- super-light weight champs, welters, superwelters? What do you make of him?

    “His best weapon is his disorderly attack; his greatest strength is his disorderly attack and that he is left-handed; he surprises his opponents; nevertheless, I in the shoes of many, believe me I could care less about his power and… to the best of my memory, the times that we fought, I say, the video of our fights does not lie. Yes, he knocked me down in our second fight but my body was just not responding. In the third fight I made the mistake of listening to Top Rank, I should never have trained with the people they chose, I hastily accepted things that I now know were mistakes like having accepted to fight him at 130 pounds. I believe that Manny is a fighter like any other, to which have not many punches have been thrown at him or I do not know why; perhaps it is an act of God, its incredible, I cannot say anything else to you because it does not settle with me that his opponents fight like they dont want to win ; they do not throw blows, remain motionless in front of him, you still see ours third fight, the little that it lasted, I snapped his head back a few times and stunned him; nevertheless I really did not have my strength in that fight, I was wobbled in the exchanges, something that never had happened to me, not even in the second fight , despite the fact that I had no strength in the second fight. I practically trained all camp just to make weight; I accepted to train with Velocity, a clinic in Los Angeles that Top Rank sent me to, they now work with Pacquiao, and that when I realized that they were not giving me the proper training I fired them, but already it was too late.
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    In most instances, fighters exaggerate and use as an excuse how drained they were for the fight.....that video clip however tells the whole story.
    No exaggeration here with Morales, he was a dead man walking.

    .....and I agree with Morales 100%, Pacquiao's strenghth is his southpaw stance disorderly attack.

    Pacquiao is'nt as disorderly as he used to be , but even now, you could see in the Cotto fight, when Cotto had some success attacking, Pacquiao became disorderly and unconventional in the way he went about throwing his punches.
    .......Pacquiao will always go that route when attacked.
    He looks cool as a cucumber and looks like he technically knows what he's doing when the fighter in front of him is'nt offering anything.

    .....but once attacked, he zig zags and is all over the place like the same old Pacquiao throwing punches from all angles and leaving himself exposed and off balance when he fails to connect.

    The *******s will actually think I'm being critical of Pacquiao and dissing him......but in actuality against great fighters, that reckless all over the place Pacquiao actually serves him well. He's actually harder to guage and time when he's in that mode.

    I remember Nacho Beristain being posed a question of how technically and boxistically better Pacquiao had looked in the MAB rematch and how much improved Pac had come from his first fight with JMM.....
    ....to which Nacho agreed and gave credit to Freddie Roach, but then Nacho could'nt contain himself and chuckled, saying...."how great it would be for JMM if Pacquiao fought the way he did in the MAB rematch."
    .....he went on to say that Marquez would have a field day against that version of Pacquiao because he just would never be able to match witts and make the adjustments from moment to moment the way Marquez does it.
    "We would welcome Pacquiao attempting to box us, but we know that it would'nt last for long because he'd have no choice but to get reckless once the strong counters from Juan started bouncing off of Pacquiao's body and head."....Nacho went on to say.

    ......of course Nacho was prophetic, the few brief moments of success that Pacquiao had against Marquez came from sudden burst of energy after catching and stunning Marquez with a straight left.

    Pacquiao had used both his hands against Morales and MAB with success, but it just did'nt happen for him against his technical superior in JMM.

    It will be the same way with Mayweather. Pac will never outbox Mayweather, his only chance is to catch him with a big shot and hope Mayweather is'nt as tough as JMM and is'nt able to survive the onslaught that comes after being stunned.
     
  11. the_truth

    the_truth Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Making weight is the most important part of boxing and very underrated. Now some fighters choose what they want to do, coming in heavy or staying around their weight range. This all depends on how the fighter feels at a competition level. Everything has it negatives and positives. This topic is just a matter of opinion, which doesn't have any facts. That's why the commision allows it.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did you look at the youtube clip on the first post of this thread?

    ......are you going to tell me that if you were a doctor who had a choice of whether that individual could fight or not, you'd have put your signature on an official document giving Morales a clean bill of health and deemed him fit to fight??????

    I dont think you would!:nono
     
  13. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    dont u ever go on. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz