Salido says the Lomachenko money ain't good,,, till ducking?

Naw, Salido wants the fight. He just wants to get paid properly. He is a warrior ( no doubt ) but he just wants to get paid because he is at the end of his career and wants a decent payday. He is an exciting fighter and has given the public many a great fight. Pay the man.

 

And we'll continue to **** on you for being a reject poster

 

YOU CUCKOLDS MAKE WARLANDO LAUGH WHEN YOU SAY THE UKRANIAN PUTO COULD EVER DEFEAT WARLANDO. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HOW CAN A SON DEFEAT HIS DADDY???

WARLANDO SALIDO TOOK LOMACHENKO'S 0, HE IS THE FATHER OF LOMACHENKO'S CHILDREN, HE TAUGHT LOMACHENKO HOW TO FIGHT LIKE A MAN, AND NOW FINALLY WARLANDO SALIDO WILL GIVE HIS UKRANIAN STUDENT THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE WHEN THEY MEET IN THE RING!

JA JA JA JA! WARLANDO SALIDO IS AN EAGLE AND LOMACHENKO IS A WORM!!!

NOW ALL YOU CUCKOLDS WILL KISS WARLANDO SALIDO'S ASS AND CALL HIM ON YOUR WEDDING NIGHTS TO ASK HIM, PLEASE WARLANDO SALIDO, PLEASE SHOW US HOW TO **** OUR WIVES!!! JA JA JA JA JA JA!!!!!

 

Too bad "Warlando' did not take your caps lock key!

 

And a creepy weirdo who uses childrens images in his avatars.

 

Wow...I'd hate to be sitting next to you at the rematch

 

Salido doesn't even make weight, squeaks out a split decision, and wants to be rewarded for that. **** off.

It sets a bad precedent. Do anything you can to get the win, even missing weight, and you'll get rewarded down the line.

 

That would be great sitting next to him at the rematch, especially when Salido lands in his lap.

 

I salute you, sir.

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I can tell from your posts you're not really a fan of Loma. Anyone would think I'm not looking at my posts lol.
Loma is a good sized modern day Featherweight campaigning at Super Feather and would've been absolutely dwarfed at 135. Loma is also 29 years old and he fought at Flyweight before 2007. He doesn't have a big frame. He weighs 138lbs on fight night, of course this 29 year old isn't going to rise up the weight classes.
In terms of weight classes, he is to LW as Mayweather is to LMW, except anything Loma does at 135 is bound to be received more positively than what Mayweather did at 154 because of Loma's style difference which makes weight rises a little more difficult.

Climbing weight classes does not actually mean you're 'better' than someone. Hagler is one of the best ever, if he were to move up, I don't like his chances that much.

Knockouts are not what makes someone 'good' - Mayweather and Whitaker are shining reference points here. The way Loma executes his style is unlike anything I've ever seen - death by a thousand cuts and they all are checkmated and quit.

RJJ has proven he's TBE level - Loma hasn't yet. If he beats his ultimate stylistic threat in the rematch in a manner that's convincing enough (I very much rate Salido as it is), I will truly believe he's TBE level although of course he still wouldn't have proved it yet.

 

Salido knows he would not stand a chance against Lomachenko.......................

 

I am a Lomachenko fan. I think he's quite skilled but hasn't actually fought anyone good yet. He's like Crawford that way or Golovkin, although I think Jacobs and Lemieux were a fine start. There are a couple of guys like that good but no real signature victories. Think like Ricardo Lopez or Ivan Calderon. There are great guys with only one superlative win like Rigondeaux has over Donaire, Bob Foster has over Dick Tiger, Jose Napoles has over Griffith but a top 30 type guy like Roy, Mayweather, or Pacquioao will have between 6 and 11 big names. Roy's got Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Hill, Tarver, and Ruiz. Pac and May have about ten big names a piece.

To get that kind of rep like a Jones or a Mayweather you have to earn it. There are a couple of ways to go about this. Hold a belt and defend it about thirteen times like Hagler. Lomachenko has won 6 title fights so far. If he gets to 13 I'll give him props. Meanwhile, Golovkin's at 19, Roman's at 16, Yamanaka's at 13, Rigo's at 10, Ward's at 9.

Another way to get that Roy Jones or Mayweather type rep is to move up in weight and capture titles in different divisions. Pac rose through 8 and captured 6. May did 5. Jones did 5. Morales did like 5. JMM did 4. Duran did 5. Toney did 5. Leonard did 5. Hearns did 6. Armstrong did 4 which would be 7 today. Arguello did 4. 4 seems to be about the standard for weight climbers. Gonzalez has 4. Lomachenko is still at 2. Loma was a featherweight when he was 19 compared to Pacquiao who was a flyweight and Mayweather who was a super featherweight at those ages. The comparison is sound. They went up quite a bit and he hasn't; so he probably isn't going to make his mark that way.

There's a difference between a Roy Jones Jr. type fighter who's legitimately great shocks and astonishes people for about a decade, and say a Shane Mosley type fighter who looks great for a while, receives outrageous accolades, gets the p4p laurels and promptly implodes. Mosley is a very good fighter borderline great and he fooled people for a time into thinking he was better than he really was, but then he started getting his ass kicked by everybody. I like to wait a bit and not commit until I'm sure.

You just have to go back to 2011 and you'll hear Lampley and Steward comparing Jorge Linares to Ray Robinson during the Tony DeMarco fight. Or go back to 2012 when Adrien Broner was rated #6 and Robert Guerrero was #10 on the pound for pound charts. I'm keeping my eye on Inoue and Lomachenko who have both achieved about the same amount in my opinion but it's going to be a little while before I use superlatives like greatest ever. Naseem Hamed's done more than either of them. Was he TBE? Maybe, people thought so at the time, before Barrera. Donaire was poised to be the next Pacquiao before Rigondeaux. He's still great, just not Pacquiao great.

It's true that you don't need knockouts to show dominance, although it helps. Whitaker, Pep, Mayweather, and Loughran didn't knock people out. However, I'd say that it's the truest type of dominance. When Gvozdyk knocked out his opponent in 3 rounds the night Lomachenko took 9 rounds to get a ref stoppage against Sosa I thought Gvozdyk was clearly more dominant, if less fancy.

With that much said I am a much bigger Salido fan than a Lomachenko fan, the same as I was a much bigger Gatti fan than a Mayweather fan. I appreciate the p4p most exciting fighters more than the p4p most skilled. If you can combine them both like Ali or Pacquiao then it's like peanut butter and chocolate two great tastes that taste great together. Just as some people think we're sitting on a top 30 type talent in Lomachenko I see another Gatti, Holyfield, Marciano, Mancini, Little Red Lopez, Bobby Chacon, Carmen Basilio, Matthew Saad Muhammad type top 30 entertaining fighter in Salido.

 

LMAO! The guy is just a weird Turd.


AND possibly the dumbest poster on this forum.

 

Nice detailed post. I agree with almost everything regards to the resume. He hasn’t got a marquee name and it seems Russell Jr is not taking strides to make himself a marquee name either.

Wins over ‘names’ depends on what condition they were in i.e Mayweather’s opposition has been underwhelming historically speaking because of the conditions of the fighters. The win over McCallum for example does little for Roy’s resume. I believe there’s two fights that warrants TBE level position - Hopkins and Toney.

TBE and Greatness are two different things.

Weight classes are a route to greatness, but in prime for prime matchups, we say Napoles is TBE level….but only at welterweight. SRL is TBE level…but only at welterweight. Whitaker is at TBE level…but only at Lightweight.

Hauler started his career aged 19/20…at Middleweight.


Loma is unlikely to make anywhere close to Top 75 in terms of greatness because people are ducking him. He can however be seen as TBE if he beats some top guys. For example, prime Jose Luis Castillo is the best opponent Mayweather fought and is seen as TBE level.


I have a slightly different opinion on Mosley. I consider him prime at 135. I judge him to be better at 135 than he was at 147. Some truly brilliant fighters H2H have short primes - Donald Curry for example. It should be a case-by-case thing when assessing how good these types are on an H2H level.


I know that without the truly great names in their primes, boxers have weaker cases of being called TBE…I don’t see any truly great names around Loma’s weight classes that Loma can fight in his own prime years, so he’s destined to have a more ‘Mayweather-esque case for being called TBE’ or as I’d call, a ‘Tier II TBE level fighter’ where the TBE tier 1’s are proven against ATG’s and didn’t look too poor against stylistic threats (Mayweather has looked poor against stylistic threats so he’s borderline not a TBE level fighter).


Loma has shown RJJ levels of dominance (if not, better at times) against his opposition - something that’s virtually unprecedented in the sport whereas a dominant knockout against some top contenders is prevalent amongst ATG’s, HOF level fighters who aren’t necessarily TBE level in ability.

More recently, I've started to enjoy knockout artists more myself as I'm more interested in MMA - so I like to see a practical usage of striking in a real combat scenario, but I appreciate the high level specialism in anything, therefore the highest level through Rigo and Loma of the modern era.

 

You don't apply this to Pacquiao.