Salvador Sanchez KO2 Harry Greb

Link doesn't work. From your description, the technique is entirely pointless. Why not let the punch fall short and subsequently knock him stupid as he falls in without any defense?

 

On the contrary, feinting was done because there was a greater risk coming in. They needed "a little something extra" (which ALL combat sports people need--or at least want) because they didn't want to take chances and get knocked out. Middle range doesn't exist clearly with tiny gloves--defense is much more problematic, margin for error far lower, and with the lenient clinching rules of the time it was very likely to devolve into a slow grinding battle. As a result, fighters preferred to stay on the outside, and thus placed a greater premium on feints.

Jabbing your way in was not a good strategy because of the risk of catching a fight-ending cross-counter or getting grabbed. They also may have believed that it's difficult to get out quickly enough.

Cutting off punches at the pass was, in part, an aspect of the grappling element. But it's difficult to argue 1890's and Greb simultaneously, since changes occurred between the two periods.

:huh

I think you're confusing me with someone else. I said they were tough athletes, and they were. Guys who get hit for a living generally are.

They did. They also clearly had a different approach to punching than we use today, which I could not fully explain because I don't have the manuals from that time period or the experience in practicing it.

Therefore, I recommend that we start by taking a look at the manuals from that period, and the rationalle that they put forward for their techniques. I'm sure Google Books has a few things to start with.

 

Thank you for doing my job for me. You asked me a question, then tell me you weren't confused. Priceless.

 

This one will probably work:

[url]http://www.open-video.org/details.php?videoid=4643[/url]

The reason is that grabbing an arm will give you much more control under that situation, which you could always turn into a cross-buttock throw if you got close.

 

I suspect we are all getting excessively heated over this. Greb's relative historical standing is not going to change our lives in any discernable way, after all.

 

This is what I said. They feinted because they didnt have the defense to defend against the equally lowsy offense of that time.

Once again, the gloves make very little difference since your hand does the blcking. If you somehow managed to hold up a glove in position to blovk a punch and then took your hand out before you were hit, then the glove wouldn't provide much protection. Did these 2-4 oz gloves have padding on the top of the hand?

 

**** off you pantywaist. Be a man and live up to your word or actually answer my questions.

One in particular that is good is you breaking down how Greb would defeat Roberto Duran or any great modern fighter who competed at middleweight on an elite level. If this isn't a good question to determine wheter or not you know what you're talking about, then just **** off, pantywaist.

 

hahahahaha atsch

I'm having a great time, I don't know about you.

 

It's not silly, I meant a reasonably athletic guy with a solid year of good modern boxing fundamentals, they'd absolutely win.

 

This one works. You seem to study MMA, why not just hit the man when he reaches to grab you? Which do you think will happen first: A guy reaching out leaving himself wide open being hit by as hard of a punch as his opponent can muster, or the game who is falling in trying to grab somehow catching the other man's arm?

This is why guys like this don't stand a chance. They have low level technique, most of which isn't even taught anymore because it's so ineffective.

 

Actually, the "correct" defense, though it is better than modern defense for the circumstances, is still not good enough to make the risk factor low enough to move in without feints. Different conditions.

Put 2-4 oz. gloves on modern fighters and you would see a similar situation developing, with each fighter too tentative because of the other's power. Feinting would come back in a big way.

They varied. Some were more or less normal leather gloves with only the tiniest bit of padding, something like this:

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...and others were more like normal modern gloves, only a few ounces. Think bag gloves.



But, as I said before: fighting with nearly non-padded gloves and using palm blocking is not a good idea. Fighting bareknuckled and using palm blocking is also not a good idea. Moreover, smaller gloves are harder to block like that, which is why you had more arm-on-arm blocking.