Sam Langford question

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  1. 70sFan865

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    What is so wrong with him?
     
  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Nothing but I like boxing with some technique instead of wild bar brawls, without any defence...

    I could have mentioned some dozens more like Whitaker, Benitez, Barrera, Hagler.

    Forkhorn Langford was maybe a mix of Makabu and Perez, but I not only tnink he wouldn't be competitive nowadays, but not even in the top 10 two to three decades later, in Heavyweight .
     
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    He wasn't wild in the fights we have and he had good enough defense to dish out and not be caught in response. He cut off the ring extremely well, had good jab for someone that short and used every punch in the book.

    Do you also think that guys like Dempsey or Foreman are unskilled brawlers?
     
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    Micky Walker was smaller than him and had very high success at HW in the 1930s. He wasn't better fighter than Langford.
     
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    He was very raging and reckless, there was actual no defence, therefore got he blind. But I mixed it up, I meant not Perez but Witter.

    Foreman was in his early career clumpsy too and wide open, but had more physical presence. Dempsey had a weak defence, but also could clinch, he was dirty too. He got due to these knocked out several times.
     
  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    Walker got stopped in the first round by Schmeling and was in the Heavyweight a fringe-contender just, but he had superior technical skills than Langford, especially defensive and in footwork. But he was only 1 - 2 decades after him, so 10 - 15 years later would be more significant.
     
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    He became blind because a series of jabs from Fred Fulton in their 1917 fight damaged the optic nerve in one eye.
     
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    Walker was retired by his corner in the 8th ROUND!LOL
     
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    But knocked down in the first, maybe I had mixed him with Loughran up.
     
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    Maybe? Why would you mix him up with Loughran ,he never fought Schmeling neither did he stop Walker.
     
  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    Because I think I have read he knocked one of them out in the first round, few years ago, maybe they changed some results and data on Boxrec since then.
     
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    If you think that Dempsey had weak defense, then there is no point to argue with you.

    Langford showed plenty of defensive skills on the footage we have. Crossarm defense, head movenent, parries. Have you seen the same footage as me?
     
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    He was very reckless before winning the world championship, but in comparison of Langford was his defence decent. He got therefore several knocked out, even once in the first round, by inferior (average) opponents.

    I think I have probably more film watched of Langford than you (some sparring sessions), and indeed he reminds me to Bob Sapp, but a slower version, who developed his kickbox skills in his later career, even in mixed martial arts. But Sam Forkhorn Langford had possible more will-power and maybe a better chin.
     
  14. 70sFan865

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    There are only 3 Langford fights available now. Sparrings from that period didn't show how the fighter fought. Langford in real fights doesn't look like Sapp at all (lol). Saying that Langford was slower than Sapp is ridiculous and extremely funny. Langford was a master boxer who fought in all boxing divisions from WW to HW, Sapp was twice as big as him but also twice slower and he never learnt how to fight.

    I have to ask: are you trolling? What sparring fights have you seen that most didn't?
     
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    I very much doubt you will get an answer to the underlined!
     


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