Sam Langford V Stanley Ketchel?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Apparently in 1910, the great Sam Langford carried Ketch in a no dec fight, with an understanding that Langford would get a Crack at his title in Nevada. Stanley was shot dead six months later.
    OK, so Ketchel sticks to his word and gives him a chance a couple of months later. How does this alter middle weight and boxing history?
     
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  2. mcvey

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    Langford beats him and reigns until he
    puts on weight and goes after the big boys.
     
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  3. FrankinDallas

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    According to Clay Moyle, Langford outweighed Ketchel by at least 30 pounds for that fight. Rather than brag about Sam carrying Ketchel, how about giving the Michigan Assassin some props for getting in the ring with a guy that Jack Johnson avoided like the plague, fixed or not.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Moyle states Langford was 178lbs Ketchel159lbs=19lbsadvantage to Langford.page 132 .
     
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  5. FrankinDallas

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    I'm bad arithmetic. Ok, a 19 pound advantage. That's basically a LHW vs a MW.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Yes it is,Id take Langford at level weights myself though.
     
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    Ketchell was basically done at that point. Earlier would have been interesting
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Agreed
     
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  9. Knights107

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    Langford..
    In 1910 still great
     
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  10. FrankinDallas

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    Oh I agree 100%, however could Langford reduced weight to 160? I know he fought at lower weights early on, but he started to pack on the
    pounds as he went for more and more HW fights. I mean he was fighting Flynn and Jeanette and other big guys the same year!
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Someone with the lack of defence that Ketchel employed, would seriously struggle against a man who is probably simultaneously the hardest P4P puncher of all time and the best counter puncher of all time.
     
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  12. Fergy

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    So Langford would have battered Ketch easily at that point Iyo? Does it change his legacy quite a lot if he picked up the middleweight title do you think?
    I've a lot of respect for Sam anyway so to me it doesn't change how I view him, but idk, how things could have turned out differently.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    It hopefully means he doesn't die blind, homeless and forgotten.
     
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    Yes that would be nice, unfortunately even winning a world title is no guarantee for a rich happy ending.
     
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  15. FrankinDallas

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    Whereas Ketchel lived fast, died young and left a good looking corpse.
     
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