Sam Langford vs. David Tua

Good God almighty. Sam Langford was considered skilled for early 1900 standards. Boxing has evolved light years since. Skill, athleticism, talent have all skyrocketed. Sam Langford would be so unskilled by modern standards he wouldn't even considered a amateur. Then you add the size too this? Come on David Tua would clearly any fighter from this era's clock within 1 round.

 

Yeah, the above poster is absolutely correct. The classic forum is completely delusional when it comes to early 1900s fighters.

If somebody showed you film of Sam Langford WITHOUT telling you that he's a legend, and told you he could beat Tua, you would die laughing.

Tua would give Langford the Ruiz treatment. Epic mismatch in terms of size, strength, and power.

I wonder what delusional bull**** is coming next. Probably some dreamers on here who think Jack Johnson could have beaten Tyson.

 

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Look at this ****! Just look at it! Just look at the footwork, feet constantly cross as he comes forward, technique a joke by today's standards - he was a ****in caveman!

By time you get to Robinson's era, footwork and technique in the sport had improved by light years.

Langford gets knocked dead by Tua and Wilder.

Get off of fantasy Island!

 

Every flaw that you try to highlight as evidence that the sport has evolved, is repeated again and again in later years.

These flaws seem to provoke selective outrage!

 

There is nothing wrong with Langford footwork (he cut off the ring extremely well and set up his punches briliantly).

Nice to see Pat M second account though

 

Well I read somebody from the Classic Forum type that Bob Fitzsimmons could beat Lennox Lewis so I will assume most of these people here do think Jack Johnson could beat Tyson just like they think Rocky Marciano could beat Tyson, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis ect.

 

Yeah, nothing wrong with Langford's footwork... okaayyyyy.

Compare the attacking footwork of Langford to the attacking footwork of Napoles, Duran, or Chavez. If you PRETEND like there isn't an astronomical difference, you're being willfully ignorant.

The sport evolved a lot since the 1910s.

 

he's not being "willfully ignorant", if you saw the video clips he posted of Jim Corbett to show Corbett's jab was good, you'd know he just doesn't have any idea what proper technique looks like. He is clueless about boxing, but that doesn't stop him from giving opinions on everything. The Corbett video of two jabs and a right looked like something a four year old would do, I was going to say like two teens slap boxing, but they probably look more impressive.

 

Nope apparently boxing has been the same athletic and skill wise since the early 1900's. It is funny to read these people comments to see them type Gene Tunney a 180 pound guy could beat 6'3 230 George Foreman or how 180 pound Rocky Marciano could beat 6'5 240 pound Wladimir Klitschko though. It is funny how they will say size doesn't matter in boxing and only skill matters. Which is funny because if you tell them Floyd Mayweather Jr is more skilled than Marciano so he would win. They will tell you no Marciano is to big for Mayweather.

You try to explain to them that being skilled for early 1900's standards doesn't equate to being skilled compared to modern fighters and they will find some excuse to make. It is best to just ignore these people. No matter how funny it is to try to explain boxing to them it isn't worth the time. They will never be able to grasp what you explain.

 

Boxers from that era even the most skilled ones back then looked like two drunk guys throwing punches.

 

Tua is too one dimensional and slow. Tua could’ve been a great fighter and a champion, since he had the talent, but he had a very poor work ethic. At 210 lbs he was a badman and had fast hands, but at 220 lbs+ he was very beatable and would get toyed with by Langford.

 

Give the true, in fight, HW prime weighs of Tunney and Rocky Marciano.
When you exaggerate or lie, points that may have weight pardon the pun, lose credibility, as do you .

 

Lol right kid. Gene Tunney spent most of his career weighing in the 170's. He bulked up to the 180's for his last few fights. Which means he still wasn't a modern heavyweight so my point stands. Marciano weighed as low as the upper 170's and usually boxed in the 180's so my point still stands. Rocky Marciano and Gene Tunney skills are primitive compared to modern fighters. The fact that people with child like minds like you still think 170 to 180 pound fighters could beat modern skilled and modern sized fights proves you have no credibility. Your credibility is so low that guess what I will do? Block you. Because people like you aren't worth typing to. People like you aren't smart enough to learn anything. Blocked.

 

With respect, you have the #s wrong.
Tua was 226 against Ike, when they set the record for most punches landed and he was at his peak.
Even at max five Ten, Tua had enough muscle That he was in Top condition.

Check other best fight weights for him.
243 vs. Lewis was much.

 

Said someone for whom Willie Driver had "decent fundamentals". I'm not boxing expert, far from it.

There are many more knowledgeable posters here than me. I just like this sport and nothing else. I don't pretend that I can teach a novice how to beat Harry Greb or that I know more about boxing than the best trainers in the world 60 years ago. I didn't say that Willie Driver was better fighter than Sam Langford, even though he punched like no boxer would ever do.

I didn't even say for once that Langford would beat Wilder or Tua. To be honest, I'd probably pick Wilder if I had to choose. Some of your (and others) comments are just laughable though. Wilder went four rounds with retired 5'8 middleweight and couldn't KO him cleanly, yet he would "kill" Langford within 30 seconds.

As long as you'll use Corbett example to attack me, I won't give up with Willie Driver comment. Believe me, it's worse than what I said about Corbett. And no, Langford doesn't look worse than Driver. Nobody here but you says that, even though many posters here are harsh on early 20th century boxing.