Why do you compare such a different fighters in terms of footwork? It's like comparing Frazier to Ali or Lewis to Holyfield. The did different things to accomplish different things. Compare Langford's footwork to someone like George Foreman (2nd career). They both cut off the ring in beautiful way. They both set up power punches really well and easily.
You are being childish with babyish insults when I am nice. You even copied what. I said about credibility. "kid"? I am 54. You must be young-and are new. Tunney bulked around and over 190 for the relevant HW fights. You use light, early career weights selectively. As Marciano said he was on video, and he clearly was, peak at 187/188. Leave our forum if you cannot be decent. Abuse at a safe anonymous remove is sad, dishonorable and weak.
I give Johnson stylwise much more chance aganst the shorter, less reach Tyson, than putting Langford with a knife against an M1 Abrams. Reading enough of your post to ask this: You wear a certain kind of coloured sunglasses, do you?
Well, at least here you can't say that Langford is too short to compete. Tua is only a bit taller and has shorter reach.
Willie Driver was fighting a real boxer, a guy bigger than him, stronger than him, and a guy who had won the NY and Florida Golden Gloves. Langford fought people who knew little about boxing, just watch the video, Langford is terrible, the opponents are even worse. It's probably not Langford's fault, it was 1910, who knew anything about boxing? Driver was giving up 7-8 inches in height to a guy with some boxing skill. Driver was in his first pro fight, he jabbed early and he showed that he had been taught the fundamentals, but then he made the tactical mistake of trying to land a "home run" overhand right which left him open to counters when he missed. I would guess that Driver had fights later where he looked better, Langford was at his peak in the fights we saw and Driver already looks as good or better. Driver's opponent would probably have gotten Langford out even quicker than he did Driver because Langford would have been squared up and he threw punches and came forward with his right foot first. So, feel free to bring up Driver anytime, he was a guy who lost his first pro fight early in the second round and he looks better than Langford. I don't post for attention or to have the Bert Sugar crowd praise me. I watch video, and it's obvious that Langford is not as good fundamentally as a modern fighter, even one who finished 7-31. For your second post, Langford's height wouldn't be the major problem with Tua or anybody else, it's his 1910 skill set that would get him destroyed. Some of you watch Langford's highlight videos on Youtube and the person who puts the video together can show you Langford parrying a jab or even slipping one and various other skills if he looks at enough old video, or you can watch one round of Holyfiled, SRL, FMJ, etc. and see them doing all of the best things from the video and doing them better. Boxing has kept the things that work over the years, and boxers have mastered those things, and what doesn't work has been discarded. The 1910 fighter would do about as well today in the ring as the 1910 car would do on the race track. EDIT: the more video that becomes available on the old boxers, the more apparent it is that they weren't good. The Langford posts are proof. When this post started 10-12 years ago, people probably hadn't seen Langford fight and had only read the B.S. stories, most were picking Langford. Now there is video available and people laugh at Langford's chances against modern fighters. Who would have trained Langford and what could the trainers have known? What could the writers who wrote the stories have known? Langford probably did look better than what came before him, but 110 years later he looks like a guy who just walked into a gym for the first time.
Tua was a non descript contender who lost his biggest bouts. No one no expert ever called Tua a great fighter. Langford was universally considered one of boxing’s finest by experts. He is still today rated as one of the greatest fighters ever to live. Jack Johnson, another all time great fighter universally considered one of boxing’s finest fighters would beat up Tua. Johnson was very used to handling big punchers who came to him. Tua would not lay a glove on prime Johnson.
Tua fought and excelled in an age of real athletes in the heavy ranks. The likes of a Rahman or Lewis would be absolutely foreign to the miners and gobs (look it up) of the early 20th century. Those wharf brawlers were brave but, please... hardly what was called World Class in the 1990's. Tua was more sound technically, quicker of fist when in range, put his combos together far more imaginatively and had a chin of pure iron. Tua KO3.
Rahman could not fight his way out of a paper bag. Low low level hwt. Lewis of course is an ATG and like Johnson and Langford considered by experts as an ATG fighter. Tua was a nondescript contender who lost his biggest bouts. No one considers Tua a great fighter.
That Classicist word salad is as predictable as it is eye-glazing. Langford doesn't get to swing around the bloviating pontifications of Classicists but only his actual fists against a guy who fought in an era of much better athletes, much more intensive schooling and grooming and a greater geographical and racial recruitment. They are incomparable as eras.
Put Tua into Langfords time, letting him fight that often and they´d talking about the Sullivan reincarnation until today, another ATG punching monster. Tuas first competitive loss came when beeing the same weight as that 6'5" SHW monster, beeing 7-8 inches shorter! And never getting back into lower 220s after that. Who of that 20s gang is going to stop an in shape pre Lewis Tua-Man convincingly ??
I find there is usually a difference between the foot work of heavyweights and welters and light weights!
How many of us are left for you to block? You come on here every so often get banned and comeback and spew the same **** yet again under a different name, deliberately giving incorrect weights to suit your agenda.You have such distain for the old timers ,[not to mention ignorance of them,]one has to wonder why a chipmunk like you comes here on the Classic in the first place? Do us a favour Black Hercules and all the other names you have assumed . **** OFF!
