Sam Langford vs. Evander Holyfield, 15 rounds at CW, official poll.

I do not trust the limited knowledge of their day however.

 

So we learn by reports from that era, when they inherrantly knew only what they knew of the best of that era, and this alone is enough to pick over an elite ATG like Holyfield, despite plenty of hindsight evidence to the contrary.

Am I right?

 

Nothing wrong with their eyes, just a different level of class from now to then, but when they observed, they were viewing the best in class and knew no better. They lack the hindsight we know now, did not view the most evolved point of the sport.

It's like how the sports writers were just dazzled by Babe Ruth, seeing what they saw, then comparing him to Hank Aaron, who was a much better athlete and who competed in a harder era of baseball, due to evolution within the sport.

I trust a modern analysis of Babe Ruth over a 30's analysis, inherrantley.

I would not trust their primitive knowledge, to our extended knowledge. Janitor trusts that what they viewed is the same as what we view today, thus the two extremes because I discount them completely.

 

Ah, thus you can piece together the style, not doubt, but the strengths will be overrated by default, because their strengths do not compare to the strengths exhibited by Holyfield, just by common sense.

 

Frankly, there are only a few analysts that even impress me, the best way to critique boxing knowledge is their ability to pick the winner of fights in forsight... or better yet, to describe how the fights will go.

Most of the most famous analysts cannot do this, they just babble about the hindsight knowledge, which is a type of boxing knowledge, but not the type that impresses me.

Adam Pollack is someone I do not trust.

 

Incorrect, Hopkins is of such a higher level of combatant that he wins over him in any ruleset. The ruleset does not change the difference in ability.

I always use KO 1 because you have 3 minutes in a round, take the skill of some low level journeyman against boxing's elite's, they normally get blown out early, so I use KO 1 as a standard, especially when comparing differences in sizes of HW's, such as Louis to Wladimir K.

But some bouts it would take 2 or 3 on the old timers durability, regardless, you have an early beatdown each time due to the level of class difference.

You may be onto something, chimps can compare to the early 1900's.:rofl

I just prefer to consider Sullivan what he is, a building block.

Janitor repeats it as if it's fact, always. He assumes what the source saw translates exactly as they put it into a modern match up against a far superior fighter.

He also gets off on anybody pre-1930's, but that's fine and well.