Sam Langford vs. Joe Jeannette fight film on-line

langford no1

ray robinson/harry greb no2

but langford was amazing, a ring marvel. i wonder if we will ever see his kind again...

 

So you finally got through the crap and saw it? The site wouldn't let me see it either, then I just did as I told you and it worked.

Langford still has some flaws, but stylistically, he's many levels above what my pre-conceived notions of him were... Just like I can't see Greb being all that good, despite his record and all the lore, I have just never been able to picture him doing anything that resembles modern boxing methods.
It's easy for me to imagine him an off-balance, arm-punching, no defense, no good offense, just pressure fighter.
Now that I've seen a contemporary that's viewed in the same light as he, it's easier for me to picture him being alot faster, defensively adept, and less sloppy.

 

There's also footage of Robinson in 1950- against Stock, Villemain, and Walzack. For the people who downplay Robinson at middle: you need to check this stuff out. They're bums, maybe, but whoa. Robinson is just as fast and accurate as you've ever seen him.
I've seen footage of prime welter Robinson (just short clips) and he's the same fighter, just about 10lbs heavier. Dangerous.

 

I think Langford flaws are on defense, but his power, combinations, toughness, physical strength, hand speed and durability make up for it.

Greb was never a puncher, so I would think his defense was much better. In fact according to the papers it was. One writer said hitting Greb was like trying to grab a fishing cork in a story sea. Greb was fast.

How can we view this fight here?

 

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What little there is of Greb makes me think he was a "come Hell or high water" type of fighter. He just looks like he'll stay in close and soak up all you have to dish out while chopping away at you with his insane volume.

I drew this from him sparring and shadow-boxing, the punches he throws are so short and economical that it looks like he was never a fan of extending a punch (to create a larger opening). That shortness makes me think he just had tons of those chopping punching ready to do damage. He also pivots, a lot! So it just looks like he was able to stay right in front of you and throw those "choppers".

When I see a fighter throwing long punches as he shadowboxes I imagine he's going to fight with a measure of distance between him and his opponent. Not Greb. He's keeping those arms in tight and close (but not like peek-a-boo).

That's all I can draw on Greb.

 

Wrong impressions. He's in and out, left and right, constantly hopping around the opponent (when not clinching).

 

So.......still no Greb then?

 

That's what I meant about his pivoting...maybe I should elaborate. His pivoting to me looks like it allows him to shift positions to stay out of range but still be in striking distance for him to land. I look at Greb like he's close to being a full on brawler, but then his footwork allows him to keep the "closest range possible without ever appearing like he's creating distance".

I take it generally that the guy had ring awareness and punching volume like none other.

 

Did you post directions on how to view this fight? Did they possibly get deleted for some reason?
The majority of us are dying to see this footage but haven't had your luck/skill at viewing the fight.

 

Well, the "he'll stay in close and soak up all you have to dish out" part certainly didn't sound like it's about Greb. If he had to, he would stay in close and punch in the clinch, but most of the time he was staying at mid to long range.

 

Hmmm, yeah. I'll have to watch what I was saying. I meant he could "take anything" in the sense that he had a granite chin like a brawler but he could stay in close "take anything" thrown his way and adapt an elusive way around his opponent. I see what you mean though, I just used the wrong set of words (especially a set that usually goes with describing durability).

 

greb is on there ??...gotta see that later

 

no no, sorry to disappoint but that was where is where i rank greb, after langford, sorry theres no greb on the site i dont think. langford jeanette is a great fight though.

 

Yes I did post directions on how I did it- they are on page 12 of this thread.