Sam Langford vs. Joe Jeannette fight film on-line

Hello?

 

Relaxing?

 

Dont worry McVey, he is going to be toast when Mendoza gets here to back you up:admin

This thread has gone off track.

Am i correct in summarising as follows:

Langford v Jeanette clips at least does definitely exist?
Clay Moyle has seen and confirmed these clips.
TV Production companies are the only ones able to see this list.
The film can be sold for a price (if this is correct, does anyone have any idea what sort of money would buy it or a copy of it).

 

Finally a voice of reason -

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?????? Not sure on that last one?? I'm guessing it costs a heck of a lot

 

Mendoza backing up McVey...would be a sure sign of the apocalypse.

 

dont **** me.
I have no films, What you on about?

 

Its statements like this that show a fundamental misunderstanding as to the motivations of people who dont dissiminate this stuff freely.

You assume Im some greedy old codger that sleeps on a pile of boxing films a la Scrooge. You are wrong. I keep what I have to myself for several reasons not the least of which is promises I have made to individuals who I work closely with in obtaining/restoring these things. Furthermore, if on occasion I have found the films on my own and have no such agreement with anyone I still keep them close to the vest because I can use them as bargaining chips for trade for similarly rare items. Indeed typically when I find something, and Ive found quite a lot that has gone unknown or unnoticed for nearly a century, I have given it freely to those individuals whom I trust and whom I have a relationship with.

Similarly on many occasions without asking anything in return they have opened their collections to me with nothing more than a request. This is based on a mutual trust that has been fostered over several years and through that trust we know our word is good.

We recently opened that collection to an individual that we thought we could trust based on an understanding. Instead he acted like the greedy child you accuse me of being and continued to try to leverage a particular item from us through various means. He cut his own throat on that deal. Hes reading this now I suspect and I for one have learned my lesson.

Even if this were simple greed as you assume I would ask: If I come to your house demand $1,000 dollars and you refuse are you being greedy? Certainly not. You worked hard for that money, you expect to see something in return for the hard work and intend to use the money as you see fit whether its to buy toys or sit in a savings account and grow. Who am I to judge you. I essentially turned my time, work, and hard earned money (all three) into an investment in something that I enjoy and something that intend to grow and continue to acquire. Why should I suddenly devalue that by posting it on YouTube? If someone has a film of Henry Armstrong-Lew Jenkins which hasnt been seen 70 years and I have a similarly rare film and we are in the process of working out a trade do you think its to my benefit to suddenly post my rare film on YouTube the day before the trade? Dont you think I would limiting myself by doing that?

I am continually amazed that people seem to think this stuff is or should be free to the public. When these fights first took place you had to buy a ticket to the fight right? When the same fight was filmed you had to buy a ticket to see it in a theatre right? After the film dissappeared from theatres someone had an investment in that film and obviously saw some worth in storing it and preserving it correct? Films are licensed to this day for their footage use at unbelievably high rates, so there is a substantial value in them correct? So why would anyone ascert that if I spend $1000+ dollars on an old film I should suddenly do the kind hearted thing and start handing out copies... at my own expense? I realize we live in the information age but thats a childish notion.

 

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And I'm sure you are kicking down some dough to the families/descendents of the fighters contained therein. Good on you, mate.

If you feel you rightfully and legally own the images contained within, howsabout licensing it yourself?

 

I never said I legally own the rights to the images. That isnt the point, in fact that adds another reason why I would not be handing this stuff out like its candy.

To suggest that a collector should pay descendants of long dead fighters for having films that they were featured in is ridiculous. These fighters SIGNED AWAY THEIR RIGHTS and got paid handsomely for it. Where do you think the lions share of those purses during the turn of the century came from? They have no further claim to those films.

Do you think when you rent a movie at the video store that Brad Pitt gets a dime of every dollar you spend there? Dont be silly.

The sad fact is that most people arent as enterprising or hard working in their quest to acquire these things yet expect to reap the fruits of someone elses labor. To those people I say "tough." Im no better than anyone else, if I can find and acquire these things then I have no doubt you or anyone else can. Its a matter of how hard you are willing to work for it. Most arent but would rather sit back and spend their energy bitching and moaning about not being able to get a free ride.

 

So these fighters signed away their rights to you? Or are these images considered Public Domain... at which point should not they be public?

 

I can respect that. In the case of rare boxing films, there are quite a few shall we say hoaxes or fights that were not labeled properly. I get that

I also understand the code of which collectors trade. However, I am here to tell you point blank that Langford vs. Hauge exists on film. I think my experience is enough to id Langford on film without the aid of a label.

Langford can be seen vs Flynn, Lang, Hauge and in training clips where he of all things leapfrogs people. I have not seen Langford vs. Jeanette, but Clay's word and the website which offers multiple stills and locked video footage is enough for me to know its exists.