Sam Langford vs. Joe Jeannette fight film on-line

Sure, he's put a lot of hard work and presumably funds into this fetish. And so far as I know, there is no institution which pays for this sort of work within our interest of boxing. So, ultimately, I agree he has the right to behave as he pleases.

 

I can see that, my point is why do that in the first place, why are there people who demand stuff in return for something like this?

Just share it from day dot. None of this capitalist ****. Share with your fellow brothers

 

Raging B(_)ll gets a lot of stick on here from certain posters.

I buy regularly off him and I can't fault him in anyway. He is by far the cheapest 'collector' and always gives you great deals and treats you with full respect.

And he is not like, I have this fight no ones getting it, he wants guys to see them but he had to put in effort to get them so you can at least give him somethign for going to the effort.

 

like I said; you make a decision early, and he made his, and thats cool.

But you don't have to do anything.

 

If you think these films should be given out freely than you must also think that you should be able to walk in to 50 million dollar arena and watch a fight of the century live without having to pay. Thats unrealistic. Of course I am a capitalist, I am an American, and for better or worse that is the society and belief system in which I was raised. Furthermore, whether I were raised in a socialist society or any other there would be no realistic way of getting any kind of return on my investment whether it be other films (which is what Im after) or money, unless I had no investment in my collection at all and that is unrealistic. I didnt create the rules Im just living by them.

 

Of course I understand all that, but none of that refutes what I was saying.

It's a question of VALUES, rather than simply value and the dynamics of the collectors' market. If you or anyone else makes a tidy living out of trading old boxing films I will stand corrected, but so far it just seems like a tiny group of hardcore collectors sitting on the rarest items as chips to acquire other rare items - thus perpetuating the aspect of certain items remaining rare and hidden from a broader audience.
It means more to you to hold rare items and hope to find 5 or 10 minutes or more rare footage (perhaps a fighter than no one has seen elsewhere) than it does to have those great fighters filmed legacies exposed to the broadest possible audience (incl. fans, enthusiasts, authors, historians) who would appreciate them and use them in positive ways.
I don't condemn the outlook of your tiny group - it is what it is - but I dont buy that you are wholly at the mercy of market forces either.

When it comes to old film of any kind I think the more that is readily available to the public the better.

Yes, he has that right. That might be where the Greb films went, but wouldn't you call that a selfish or stupid act ?

 

What You or I call it doesnt matter. He has that right, I have mine, and thats that. And yes, having a film to use as a bargaining chip for an equally rare film is valuable to me, much more valuable than the tiny niche group of people who would be interested in seeing it or owning their own copy for free. Who is to say that the way I conduct myself is wrong? You say its greed, fine, I say those comments are motivated by envy.

 

Raging Bull is a Prince :good

 

There is an argument that if you buy as masterpeice and keep it under lock and key, you are being gratuitously selfish . I suppose it depends whether you are the one with buying power or not. If you own something ,you have the legal right to do what you will with it,whether you consider that to be morally right is a personal perspective imo.

 

Once again, you can copy or even exhibit a painting without it losing its value. An original Van Gogh is still a Van Gogh and still worth millions. A 1 to 1 copy of a boxing match is worthless and once widely spread so is the original. Why do you think Don King, Top Rank, etc, dont market their fight catalogues? Ive spoken to them personally about this and logic behind it is very sound once you sit down and understand it from a business perspective. As a fan you just "want" it and dont pay attention to what goes on behind the scenes, those that actually have the commodity you want understand the rules of supply and demand because it was those very rules they had to follow in order to get that commodity, why should you be any different? No offense but what makes you special?

 

a big 10 inch ****.