Sam Langford vs. Max Schmeling

What about Ray Arcel's boxing IQ? Pretty high? What would happen to me if I went around on a Dempsey vs __ thread doing nothing but quoting Arcel's flattering opinions of Dempsey? Manny Steward is a great trainer, but is Tommy Hearns really a top 10 P4P great? Just because Blackburn said it, does not make it so. Blackburn was not an omniscient being of pure and unbiased knowledge. Blackburns opinions do hold merit, but there's more to it than the words of one man.

 

You do realise that Schmeling beat Hamas in the rematch more decisively than he lost to and retired him for good, that Schmeling is 2-0-1 against Uzcudun, who btw. beat Max Baer for example, that he is 1-1 against Sharkey and probably should be 1-0-0 1 NC, that the Daniels fight was his last at lhw and that he was badly weight-drained even for the lhw fights before this - aside of that Schmeling also holds a win over Daniels too. So, the only fighter he doesn't also have a win over is Max Baer and this fight was not a one-sided beating but about even when he was knocked out and aside of that, Max Baer would be a tough fight for nearly every heavyweight at his very best and he pulled out his career best performance against Schmeling.

btw. what about Fred Fulton, Bill Tate, Jeff Clark, Gunboat Smith, Sam McVea, Joe Jeanette, Harry Wills?

 

OK. I stand corrected. :good

I dont believe Joe Louis was "far from prime" in '36. He'd already beaten Max Baer and others, and was touted as one of the greatest fighters who ever lived. The win over Baer in particular stands out as one of his best of his career.

Well, he may have been right about Langford. But I'd strongly disagree with any sentiment he held about Schmeling not being a great fighter.

 

I actually think he has a pretty good resume if you dwell deeper. If you go by ring ranked contenders he would be ranked in the Top10 at hw and beat more of them than some guys consistently ranked above him. If I remember right he was ranked in the Top5, and I think even in the Top3 for most of the his 9 years at the very top beating about every topcontender out there. Laying beatings on fighters no other man did, Koing Stribling, beating down Walker like nobody could, retiring Hamas. He has at least one win over every fighter he fought in his prime but Max Baer.

 

Jack Blackburn obviously had a great respect for the fighters of his own era.
He's reported to have bloodied Johnson's nose in sparring.
He drew with Sam Langford.
And he says Langford and Johnson would beat Louis.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Ate Mountains??!! aaaaagggggghhhhhahahaha

 

Marvin Hart could beat Jack Johnson but Joe Louis could not.

I'll take that one to the bank.

 

u consider that win legit???
Man u must be very new at this

 

I have no argument with this post ,accept that when I suggested that Johnson might have been more defensively cautious , if he was fighting a banger rather than powder puff hitter O Brien, it was dismissed.
I think this matchup is a very close one ,and that Max and Sam could split a trilogy

 

If you are right then you are expressing an opinion that nobody in the 30s held.

 

Jack had an in grown toenail when he fought Hart , besides that he had a bit of a headache,and was coming down with a cold.

 

Can't think of very many fighters that feasted on smaller fighters better then Schmeling, for whatever reason.

Really kicked the **** **** out of both Walker and Corbett, two things no one else ever duplicated like Schmeling managed as far as I know.

 

absolutely. even Johnson admitted as much.

 

Had the decision been given on points scored by clean hitting blocking and punishment administered then Johnson would have won by a country mile.
After the contest Johnson hardy showed a mark but Harts face was puffed out like a soiled pumpkin from the effects of wicked stabs and hooks landed cleanly by the negro.


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