Sam McVey(a) underated?

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just been reading up on Sam and maybe he was one of the unluckies and under-rated HW's ever. He beat prime or near-prime Langford, Wills, Carter, Denver Ed Martin, Jeff Clarke, Devere, Battling Jim Johnson, Lang, Stewart, Jeannette, Jim Barry and many more. He lost too, but usually only to top tier fighters Martin, Jack Johnson, Langford, Jeannette, from his begining as a teenage sensation around 1900 until his first defeat by Wills in 1915 and he defeated all of these in the same time-span except Johnson whom he lost two 20 rounders too.
    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    McVey did not fight like Johnson or Jeanette. He was in there to mix it up and trade punches. I have seen a good 3 rounds on McVey. He looks like a beast in the ring, but he was not much for defense, a jab, or skills in general.

    Chalk McVey up as a durable puncher type, and a legit heavyweight threat.

    One odd thing about McVey, he looks like an intimidating dude, but in news read and even on flim he doesn't quite seem to have the mean streak I thought he might.
     
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    INteresting. What film are you refering to? Is it the Jim JOhnson on Youtube ?

    Clay's book on Langford gets heavily into McVey and in fact McVey was quite a boxer and made use of what he refers to as a very good jab ... that was the style he used to beat and then remain competitive with Sam Langford with many times ..

    I think McVey is underated and much is not really known about him ...
     
  4. Mendoza

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    I have a full 3+ rounds at normal speed of McVey vs Jim Johnson, some of which is on youtube.

    Langford said McVey could not jab well because he was a bow armed fighter. On flim McVey doesn't throw any lead jabs for offense.
     
  5. TAC602

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    Good enough to be avoided the same as his other elite peers.

    Johnson obviously beat him as well, although I dont know how much value can be put on it considering McVey was 18 years old. (?)
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He sounds better when described by his contemporaries than when seen on film. But then most of his contemporaries did not live long enough to see boxers who knew what they were doing in the ring.
     
  7. McGrain

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    This is not something I agree with. he grant is correct to underline Clay's opinions on McVey, and i'd echo them myself. The more lurid embelishments of the Jeanette war and his looks have led to mis-understandings about his type.

    This is a perfect example of how McVey can be underated or mis-understood. Matt is right.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I thought I remember Clay describing him as fighting in retreat, but then again, who wouldn't want to do that against Langford?

    He certainly got fed to the wolves early and often in his career, had a few nice pelts, but mostly by having the chance to fight the same good opponents so often. He was bound to pick up a win in that many contests. I think he had a rather haphazard, and a bit unfortunate career. Still, he seems a bit overrated in my book.
     
  9. mcvey

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  10. mcvey

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    207lbs McVey was a month off of 20 for his last fight with Johnson, in between his 3 fights with Jack, he had kod Denver Ed Martin ,[1rd ] and Kid Carter,and previously Fred Russell.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Wills v McVey, below.

    For heavyweights the men fought hard and fast throughout, McVey taking every round but the second. In the fourth a left jab cut Wills' right eye, which troubled him in the remaining rounds. Wills took a count of nine in the ninth round after receiving a left to the body and a left hook to the jaw." (Lincoln Daily Star
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How nice to read a couple of balanced posts from you on this subject.
     
  13. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :good

    5-10 207 lbs before 20?

    Almost the same as a well known 1980s heavyweight dubbed a freak of nature.

    And in McVey's day of athletic nutrition, they may as well of been malnourished. This is amazing, see.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Thank you. I try to balance the availability of evidence within a rational context in these matters. Glad it is appreciated.
     
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    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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