Sam Peter is clearly B Level.

Just seen the McCline fight,peters was lucky to get through that round,if oleg catches him he may not get back up,though im going for a hard points win for peters with maybe a few knock downs along the way

 

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That estimation may not be far off.
Peter did knock Wlad down three times and forced Wlad to use hold and lean tactics (while Wlad at some points outboxed him and almost knocked Peter down at the end).

 

I know your a Wlad fan in all, but I have watched Wlad over the last 7 years, he has improved in certain era's of his game, but it's hard for me to rank someone A, when he shows constant fear of getting hit with a punch, and when he does, he looks like a drunk Tara Reid at a after hours club, he falls all over the place, and the only way he can stay on his feet is through clinching. He is not an A fighter, Vitali was at one time though IMO.

 

Yeah so .. The whole Heavy weight devision is b level .

 

I don't think they have comparable power. I don't see Toney going 24 rounds with Wlad.

Wlad knocked out a prime McCline in 2002 while Peter went the distance with him when Jameel was 37 year old, although admittedly, he was in great shape.
Especially if you consider that Wlad rarely actively chases the knockout while Peter does, i think it's evident that Wlad is the better puncher.






That said, i don't think Peter is that bad. As for his best win? I'd say his total domination of Toney in their second fight. He was in good shape just like the Klitscko fight, and unlike their first fight. I just rewatched it, Peter looked sharp and very good. I'm not that impressed by Toney at heavyweight, but no one dominated him like that.

 

I was talking about the skills and mental department, Wlads a decent amount physically better, and Peters a decent amount mentally better, a unbiased person could see that quite easily.

 

Oleg is so underated it's a joke. The guy has terrific amateur credentials and one of the best overhand rights in the heavy
division. He has improved his defence and has shown a fighting
heart in his two victories over Haseem. If he is careful and BOXES
not fights with the limited powerpuncher Peter he should win
impressively.

 

The rabbit punches don't equal a knockdown, but the knockdown in the 10th was impressive. :shock: Peter took alot and still had enuff in the tank to level Klit. Wlad was really tired and could have been very vulnerable had their been another 2 minutes in the round.
That was Klits toughest fight by far.
These two need to rematch. That is, of course, Pete gets by O.

 

If you're talking about a current fighter, though, you should restrict your analysis to the current state of that fighter. Current Wlad hasn't been hit hard and hurt in a while. Current Wlad is about as "A" level a heavy as you can ask for. By that do I mean he is a better head-to-head fighter than say, a Cristian Mijares, or a Floyd Mayweather, or a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Chad Dawson, or a Mikkel Kessler? No, head to head he is levels below all those guys. But in the context of the heavyweight division right now, his winnability factor is fairly high - and the recipe that he and Steward have cooked up makes him pretty unbeatable by the current field of prospective challenges. Whatever works, to net the "W", is deserving of mention as long as it keeps netting the W's. Right now, he is an A-level heavyweight because his formula for winning is pretty ironclad. It's not his fault the talent pool sucks. Even if a really good heavyweight came along, the style that Wlad has evolved into under Manny's Stewardship is one tough nut to crack, and getting tougher with each progressive fight. He's obviously not a p4p top head-to-head fighter based on ability. But he is at present a damn near unbeatable (therefore A-level) heavyweight owing to the combination of ability, style, and corner...and, yes, opposition that is generally not up to snuff.

 

Lets hope your right. This one means ALOT to me.:!:

And Wlad is an A level HW. Grade "A" China Chin.

 

Thats fair post, but if you watch the Mccline that fought Wlad, compared to the Mccline that fought Peter, you have a whole different fighter. Mccline was passive and fearful of Wlad in that fight, and it showed, Wlad in 02 was dominating fighters, and very much on his way to a fight with Lewis. Mccline gave Wlad too much respect, and never once tried to pressuring him, and by the time Wlad did start to catch Mccline with heavy shots, he was already gassed out and ripe for the taking, I believe it ended in the 10th or 11th round.

In the Peter fight Mccline took it to him from the start, catching Peter off guard, and flooring him a few times, Peter showed a great heart and boxed his way to the victory, at 27 Wlad was getting knocked out by Sanders, for Peter it was just a learning experience for him that night.

 

True. But while one is more harmful then the other both tactics (rabbit punches & excessive holding/leaning) are illegal and I dislike the use of both of them as much. I wish both fighters would just stop doing it as people would appreciate them way more (and it would result in way more exciting, cleaner and more fair fights).