Sam Peter is the most over-f**kin-rated heavyweight in the world right now.

I guess it depends on your definition of top level. Tua was matched with guys of a similar level, eg Izon, but Peter wasn't.

Peter hasn't fought anybody like Ike, Tua did. Yes he lost, but that decision could have gone either way.

I don't mind Peter one bit, but I think that Tua could have easily done anything Peter has done to date. That's not Peter's fault, he can only fight the guys put in front of him.

Tua in any shape beats the Toney Peter did, comfortably.

Having said all of that, I'd love to see Peter fight often and win big. It would be much better than guys fighting once every couple of years.....

 

^That is where we are going to disagree the most. I do not see Tua even in his prime beating James Toney.

Reason being that no one-armed fighter is going to beat James Toney. Not one. He can hit hard all he wants with that left hook but he has to land it first. Tua had no jab really, which is instrumental in pushing Toney into position for a right hand to the ear. He might land the left hook as Toney is going into his bend but even that 9/10 times would likely wiz right by his head.

Samuel Peter has gotten better. Today he is more well put together than David Tua was at his best. He has a solid jab (which he showed in the Hawkins fight), an excellent right hand and a left hook that has been with him for awhile now.

If Tua had a right hand with a jab he'd be Samuel Peter. Thats bascially how I look at it.

 

My wording was a bit misleading. I meant "Tua in any DECENT SORT of shape", not as the fat Tua that emerged for the Lewis fight etc.

Yeah, Tua hasn't got much of a jab. But the Tua that fights for 12 rounds, at a reasonable pace, IMO beats the Toney that Peter faced. (not the Tua that listlessly plodded after Byrd for 12 rounds....)

Toney is simply, just too fat and too old.

I hope you're right. I'd love to see Peter keep improving. I'm also bound to be biased because I'm a New Zealander....

 

I AGREEEEE:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

Peter has the best talent and physical base to build from in the entire HW division. He is one good trainer away from being the dominant HW champion.

 

Peter still is raw talent at 27, Manny took Wlad from down and out to Heavywieght champ in 2 years.

 

I suspected as much!

It's all good though. I'm white American so both Tua and Sam are foreign commodities to me, but they are more than welcome in America! We need exciting heavyweights not the jab and grab sort! :happy

 

Big deal.
He hits hard.
Peter is slow, throws one punch at a time, one dimensional.
Looks like ****.
Valuev beats him.
Overrated.
Yes.

 

His defence? What defence? Great chin, but no ability to dodge punches.

 

i would like to see him beat a legit top20-30 guy other than a fat, bloated, and stationary james toney; then maybe, maybe i would consider him top 10

 

He could definitely be outboxed / outworked, I think Chambers would be a really hard fight for Peter in a few years, or a current Byrd fight as well, and Wlad is just gonna be a tough fight for anyone.

 

I am certain that Chagaev would beat Peter. Maskaev I think chickened out of the fight. Ibragimov would be a 50-50 fight.

 

It's not that Morbid, It's just that not many care about a division that lacks American stars like the Heavyweight division used to always have.

 

If Wlad could outhug Peter than would Ruiz?

 

When i read Thompson and Dimitrenko, Liakhovitch, Rahman and Virchis that really made me laugh!! These guys would all get knocked the **** out. The others would be tough challenges for Peter, but i would favour Peter to beat most of them.