Same day Weigh-ins. Yes or no?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Goose, Oct 22, 2019.


Bring back same day Weigh-ins?

  1. Yes, it will make boxing safer

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  2. No, it will make things worse

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  3. It won't make any difference in safety

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Main events getting cancelled due to one fighter coming in way overweight, costing the networks, promotors and alphabets money...
     
  2. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No no no and no! Its out for a reason!
     
  3. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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  4. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yes I'm sure you're right.If the problem is extreme weight cutting to gain an edge then I'm sure it can be addressed and policed which would mean no fight or payday for those missing weight on purpose.
    The scenario we have now is that it someone can make the weight then they're ok to fight in said division but what they weigh on the scales has no bearing on what they weigh on he might which is what counts.

    I don't think it's even happened yet where a bigger guy after hydrating killed a man but Gatti v Gamache was called at the time as an example of someone having a size advantage and you could see Canelo was visibly concerned after knocking out Khan.
    my guess is it might not change a thing but it would be seen to be doing th right thing in the spirit of the sport of boxing(whatever that is).
     
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  5. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    It definitely allowed fighters to become more flexible in what divisions they fight. If you can dehydrate three divisions down then you can beat up on smaller guys, then slowly make your way up to your natural weight. I wonder how many fighters out there truly move up above their natural weight.

    For example ODLH was never a truly a lightweight, it's not until he made it up to welter/light middle is where his natural weight was. Then he moved up to 160 and fought BHOP, who himself is a 175 lb fighter. If Hopkins was at his natural weight, those guys would have never fought. Unless ODLH moved up all the way to light heavy. Crazy stuff.
    If they all fought at their intended weight boxing would have a different landscape.

    It would push most of current welters to middle weight, and push guys like Jacobs to 175 and beyond, Beterbiev to Cruiserweight.
     
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  6. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Of course NOT. This is a dumb idea. Less time to rehydrate. It might cause even more deaths if a guy enters a ring barely rehydrated 10 hrs after he made weight.

    If you want to change the weigh in system then go for constant weight checks before a fight. Like 4 weeks, 3 weeks, 2 weeks, 1 week. If a guy losing too much weight in last 2 weeks - fight cancelled. At least on a certain level where you HAVE TO make weight (title fights, eliminators...). But this is hard as many fights would be cancelled and many fighters would have to change their weight cut massively. Tons of fighters cutting a lot of weight in the last few days so they can rehydrate more in shorter time period compared to cutting weight over a longer period. It's a very complex topic btw.
     
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  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree it should be the same day, but I think they should incorporate one week weigh ins and things like that. It is not safe, but then again it is about fairness. I am for safety and fairness. How do you make both things incorporated into the rules?
     
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  8. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    I don't think you understand
    The whole idea is to fight at your natural weight and not dehydrate, period. Or have a very small margin for variance, say +-5lb depending on weight class.
     
  9. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  10. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    How it should work? This isn't realistic. There are guys like Gervonta Davis who are walking around 180 and fighting at 130 or 135.
     
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  11. The Akbar One

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    1. If you make the weigh in an hour or two before the fight, how will a fighter have a chance to get an IV in with all the commission people around?

    2. Both Jesse Owens, and Bob Hayes would be top sprinters today, if they were running on modern synthetic tracks, instead of cinder, which is nothing more than loose dirt with bits of wood in it.
     
  12. Yatezy

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    The idea works in theory but if a fighter is still overweight the morning of the bout then they may still cut. Weight management isnt particularly easy and sometimes doesnt go to plan. If it means not fighting for the title or potentially having the bout cancelled then most would probably take the risk and hit the sauna.

    Then you have the question of what time do you have the weigh in? Morning weigh ins, such as the IBF next day are still gamed by fighters so that wouldnt stop cutting and a couple of hours before means fighters waking up on the morning of the day at their weight limit means theyll go all day without food or water to make sure they dont go over in the hope they can make it up in the time between weigh in and ring walk.

    The potential of fighters entering the ring dehydrated far outweights the risk of weight bullies.

    The ONE championship method looks very good but a fighter could just go Keto that week/2 weeks before, stay hydrated, pass the SG test and then just carb load the night before and continue gaining weight.

    Fighters of old entered the ring at their camp/walkaround weight because most of them fought once a month, maybe even more so they were always training. Fighters now fight twice a year and probably spend a good portion of their camp just trimming excess fat off because they lived like a king since their last bout.
     
  13. dougemerypm

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    It was proven after the Boom Boom Mancini debacle that not giving people time to rehydrate leads to more brain bleed problems. The brain is 60-70 percent water and when you lose water weight it no longer sits comfortably in the skull shell. When the brain literally bounces around inside the skull there is an increased opportunity for a brain bleed. Why not have both boxers weighed when they sign the contract and boxers must be within a certain distance of the division weight. Maybe the max is 10% but it ought to be easy for doctors to decide what the rule should be. This would cap someone who walks around at 170 to not be able to fight at less than 154 (153 but the division limit is 154) Maybe that is too much. I know amateur wrestling has a minimum weight people can wrestle at based on the body fat. Moving weigh ins to the day of the fight will cause more probems not less
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Teddy Reid killed a guy and he was a very big 140.
     
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  15. LitoCandela

    LitoCandela Active Member Full Member

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    Anybody who suggest this doesn't know * about boxing