No go, when you're 14-4 this **** aint gona cut it. To be called the greatest, what I'm looking for is indisputable consistency in dominance throughout the career. Only one falls under this category right now is Fedor.
I bet Alves isn't happy about this. He's a ridiculous monster of a 170 lber (if he ever actually makes the weight) and Sanchez could probably make 155 if he wanted to. Alves will have to be able to deal with getting taken down and have to deal with a stronger guy on top of him. And Kos/GSP II would go the same as the first one.
It's going to be an awesome fight. Interesting style match-up. Kos has been using his striking a lot lately, more than his Wrestling. I don't think that would be a good idea in this fight. Josh should use his strikes to set up a takedown. Ground n' pound Thiago into a decision.
Definatly a harder fight for Alves. Kos might work on his wrestling a little harder if he fought GSP again, I think he underestimated GSP's wrestling (I know I did) but yea, he would still almost surely lose.
i think the second fight would be way different by that i mean i believe kos underestimated gsp's wrestling thats why he was dominated the outcome might be the same but i believe kos' wrestling is still way better than gsp, if anything gsp will use his superior jits and striking to beat kos not his wrestling
If Penn steps up and beats GSP he cannot be denied that he is the most naturally gifted and most skilled fighter ever. He definitely isn't the most consisitent, that belongs to Fedor but nobody can deny that he is the most "Capable". He is a natural 155lber and he would then be not only the LW champ but also a 2 time WW Champ, winning the belt legitimately from the Greates Champion in UFC History (Hughes) and maybe the most gifted and dynamic fighter in UFC history (St Pierre). Sorry but him beating St Pierre is a greater accomplishment than anything Fedor has done. Could be due to lack of oppportunity for Fedor, but still.
I wouldnt put Penn as the best ever if he beat St. PIerre..He would need to beat like A.Silva too and I would give him that crown. GSP had the potential to be the greatest ever and could has the resume to do so. I might be his biggest fan here or AJAX, but his loss to Serra is gonna always to tarnish his legacy. The greatest ever can't be TKO in round round vs Serra lucky shot or no. He is gonna probably have a better resume than Fedor when his career is over. But Fedor, with the fact that he never lost, vs good opposition, in MMA, is just AMAZING.
Keep in mind Sugar Ray Robinson is usually considered the greatest boxer of all time, and he had several loses. Same goes for Marciano and generally not being considered the greatest Heavy of all time and being undefeated.
You are comparing todays MMA fighters to yesteryears boxers. Those boxers from back then were fighting over 12 x's a year sometimes in their prime. It was a different world, Fedor fights what once or twice a year? And Honestly Marciano fought 50 years ago, who's to say that in 50 years there are gonna be fighters in MMA that make Fedors competition look like an absolute joke the way this sport is progressing. Not knocking anybody at all, but to simply say that Fedor staying undefeated is a tougher task then Marciano doing it is simple minded....you might be right, but it requires a little more thought I think. :good
I didn't compare them. Beebs did. I'm just talking about the ways to lose and the much more high risk that MMA is. One lucky punch and its done. It's just harder to be undefeated. I don't see how much more thought there could possibly be. I also don't think how one can be mediocre for several years, than have a spurt of brilliancy at the end his career and be called the greatest ever. Over someone who was brilliant throughout his career and been an argued p4p king for YEARS instead of a year or 2. I think by the end of 2009 it'll be more clear who's who. Right now it depends on everyone's creteria. But I think it's clear who's the top man in each division with exception of LHW.
Ok fine you didn't compare specific fighters, but you did compare the sports. yeah there may be more ways to lose in MMA, but that means there are also more ways to win too. For example, St. Pierre may have suffered that devastating loss to Serra due to the dynamics of the sport but Serra also got that great win and accomplishment for the same reason. Now you may not see any reason to put more thought into it but I do. You see Fedor fights when he wants to, and has as much time as he wants to prepare for these fights. Now forget about the rules of the two sports, Marciano for example fought 12-13 times some years that means little injuries, colds, personal issues and any other bull**** came with the territory of a never-ending training camp. And yeah you only have to worry about being punched in boxing, but you also can only punch the other guy as well. And who ever called BJ Penn "mediocre"??? He lost a close fight to Jens Pulver, lost to georges st pierre, Matt Hughes and Machida @ LHW. Falling short while chasing "Great Achievements" doesn't make you mediocre. :deal Not to mention if you actually watch those fights, he was winning the Matt Hughes fight quite convincingly before he got injured and gassed. He gave Machida, maybe the most skilled LHW in the world a helluva fight, and he's the only guy I've seen to not only prevent GSP from passing, avoid all damage on the ground and stuff a good percentage of his takedowns..until fatigue prohibitted him from doing so. And this is all from a guy who's natural fighting weight is 155lbs :deal Mediocre? No.
